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Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by sascha_sl »

tuna-piano wrote: post #57
sascha_sl wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because the system is broken to begin with. Landlords usually provide little value compared to what they ask for and for a lot of them, it's essentially passive income, an investment if you want, but one that is basic survival for others. The US should not be having a homelessness crisis. We have more empty places than homeless. The same way I personally believe Nestle or anyone else should not be trying to comm…

Thought experiment for you: Evictions become much more difficult, maybe even illegal. What happens to people who want to rent apartments?

Goes right past my comment. I don't want apartments owned by people for any other than their personal use to begin with because the profit motive incentivizes bad behavior and is inflexible in handling situations like Covid.

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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scarface74 wrote: post #20
wegs wrote: post #11

Untrained gig workers. Angry tenants. I can't imagine what could go wrong here.

As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.

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Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by cvhashim »

cattlefarmer wrote: post #16
panpanna wrote: post #2

What's next? A gig work where you dress like Clooney and go around firing people on behalf of the company?

Here in Japan, you can hire people to resign your job for you. https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642597968/for-450-this-japane... You want something even weirder? There's also a service where you can hire somewhere to apologise for you/your company's fuck ups. I actually had a roommate that ran such a business. His clients will even issue him official name cards and an email address so he looks like a real employee, whi…

> Here in Japan, you can hire people to resign your job for you.

Just the a facet of the Japanese work culture. They respect their bosses and upper management so much so that I’m sure the worker feels guilty or shameful when leaving.

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by tuna-piano »

sascha_sl wrote: post #61
tuna-piano wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thought experiment for you: Evictions become much more difficult, maybe even illegal. What happens to people who want to rent apartments?

Goes right past my comment. I don't want apartments owned by people for any other than their personal use to begin with because the profit motive incentivizes bad behavior and is inflexible in handling situations like Covid.

So you believe that buying a house should be legal, selling a house should be legal, but renting a house should be illegal? Or you believe all land+buildings should be government owned?

And you believe the government should have a monopoly on buying/renting houses?

And how would government renting houses be different than landlords? If the government wanted to give rent flexibility they can do it other ways besides owning the houses.

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by throw_m239339 »

tuna-piano wrote: post #50

I understand evictions trigger lots of emotions and can be terrible situations for the tenant. But so many comments here seem to treat an apartment as something the tenant is entitled to, even without payment. How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread? Staying at a place without paying rent is a form of direct theft. The non-paying-tenant is s…

> How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread?

The difference is that failing to pay the rent isn't a crime.

Furthermore, according to the article

> The CDC has ordered a moratorium on evictions amid COVID-19 — making it illegal for landlords to force out tenants who can't afford rent during the pandemic

Which makes a certain number of evictions illegal at first place.

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by wegs »

Normille wrote: post #40
wegs wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, it puts food on the table, and my kids are hungry. And it keeps the debt collector at bay. The implied expectation of class / race / ethnic / ... loyalty is fundamentally flawed, though. I'm friends with people of many groups who are unlike me, and conversely, there are many people in my demographic whom I dislike. Not all [insert race][insert socioeconomic class][insert religion][insert ethnicity][insert career…

> Hey, it puts food on the table, and my kids are hungry. And it keeps the debt collector at bay. So does shovelling Jews into gas ovens and pulling out people's fingernails. I guess it just depends on where your internal "Do Not Cross" moral line lies.

I think you've made my point for me. If moral lines are easy enough to move that people will "shovel Jews into gas ovens and pull out people's fingernails," it's not hard to find people more than glad to cross class lines to enforce laws, whether those laws are just or corrupt (and most laws are in the middle).

At the core, there are few or no internal "Do Not Cross" moral lines. Moral lines are first culturally-situated, and second, individually-situated.

Incentive structures set by the ruling class drive a huge part of culture. Media does too. There are a lot of tools to manipulate culture, and they're actively (and increasingly scientifically) used. At the end of a Roman Triumph -- a big celebration -- captured war prisoners would be strangled in front of an audience. In that culture, that was okay.

From there, you need to find just a few people, either divided, disgruntled, or of low moral character. If I want to keep poor Southern whites in-line in 1870, I can find blacks who hate them. If I want to keep poor Southern blacks in-line, I find poor Southern whites. There, we had a nice 50/50 split, but there will always be a few.

The expectation that "it's the turncoats fault" isn't a productive one. You need to fix systems, not individuals (with incentive structures around individuals are part of systems, of course).

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by scarface74 »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #24
scarface74 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said below, when you do it legally, someone from the sheriffs department is involved. A clean out crew is often made up of day laborers anyway. You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb. Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.

That's awful, and you should be careful with tenants stuff. A lot of people on this site are cruel and callous.

Why are you telling me? I’m just stating the facts. People seem to think that getting random people to move tenants stuff on the street have to be gentle or they put themselves at risk of being sued.

My statements are

A) at least in my state, the police are there monitoring the actual eviction either way.

B) you don’t hire professional movers who are careful with the tenants stuff. No one does. There is no increased liability from using this service over getting day laborers.

Re: Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out

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Post by Schweigi »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #65
tuna-piano wrote: post #50

I understand evictions trigger lots of emotions and can be terrible situations for the tenant. But so many comments here seem to treat an apartment as something the tenant is entitled to, even without payment. How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread? Staying at a place without paying rent is a form of direct theft. The non-paying-tenant is s…

> How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread? The difference is that failing to pay the rent isn't a crime. Furthermore, according to the article > The CDC has ordered a moratorium on evictions amid COVID-19 — making it illegal for landlords to force out tenants who can't afford rent during the pandemic Which makes a certain number of evictions…

The article is incorrect about the CDC eviction moratorium as it makes it sound to be some automatic thing. The tenants needs to file a letter (template is at bottom of CDC order) to the landlord or court and only after that they “might” be covered by the moratorium. It’s still up to the court to make the final decision.
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