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Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

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Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#61

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From the statement: “We can’t in good conscience recommend to Japanese professionals and businesses to make their livelihood depend on a closed-source, superficial rebranding of Zig“ Does the zig foundation have a problem with recommending closed-source superficial rebrandings of Zig or just from connectFree?

did you read the description of what happened?

Yes

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#62

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While I can't speak with absolute certainty, we probably would not want to merge any "improvement" Zen made.

“Since then, “No. 2” has resigned from their position at connectFree, but won’t be able to contribute to the Zig project for some time because of a “non-compete” clause present in the contract.“ So why do you care if No. 2 is not able to work on Zig if you don’t value the contributions he’s made to Zen?

What they care about is not the contribution they made to Zen, it's the contribution they would make to Zig and can not due to the NCC.

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

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post #45

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“Since then, “No. 2” has resigned from their position at connectFree, but won’t be able to contribute to the Zig project for some time because of a “non-compete” clause present in the contract.“ So why do you care if No. 2 is not able to work on Zig if you don’t value the contributions he’s made to Zen?

Maybe they believe that No. 2 is capable of making valuable contributions, but that the specific contributions made at the direction of the Zen founder aren’t valuable.

Precisely.

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#64

Hello HN and sorry for this bizarre drama! Although we have a page documenting some outlandish comments that the founder of Zig has made about Zen[0], we find it well inside of our rights to fork the MIT Licensed Zig and make a better product with commercial support. We had initial plans to support Zig in Japan, but efforts to localize Zig were not accepted and we could not take the risk of not having some sort of fo…

Dude... what are you even doing?

Asking money for a compiler, the audacity!

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#66

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For those that believe in software freedoms as fewer restrictions, you have to accept that people may take advantage of your fewer restrictions. This is the cost of giving more (beer) freedom, and you don't have to abandon your principles because of how it manifests. (this has obvious political analogies in other restriction-less freedom contexts too)

The existence of this blog post suggests to me that they either don’t believe in total software freedom or they haven’t yet accepted that people will take advantage of it.

I read it a bit different, I read it as they're proud of their freedom stance, and they are just informing users about a hostile fork without even hinting at reducing their principals henceforth.

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#67

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All of that developers work on zen would be available to the zig foundation if it were licensed GPL. If it were licensed GPL and they were violating that license they could sue in the legal system instead of writing a blog post with dubious effect.

and where would the money and time to pursue a lawsuit come from?

From the Zig foundation

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

#68

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did you read the description of what happened?

Yes

then I submit that your rhetorical question at the end of your statement is flawed. Maybe consider the question: Does zig have a problem with closed-source rebrandings by companies that cause serious damage to the ecosystem outside of merely forking the code?

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

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As somebody that just got into Zig and loves the language, it makes me super sad that the developers on this project have to spend their valuable time stressing about BS like this. Also, the ideas the Zen people list on their website for forking Zig are terrible ideas- They were pushing to turn Zig into a hard-to-reason-about vanilla object-oriented programming language.

I'm really looking forward to Zig becoming more refined. I started writing an x86 kernel, but put that on pause because of known compiler bugs.

Re: Statement Regarding the Zen Programming Language

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While I can't speak with absolute certainty, we probably would not want to merge any "improvement" Zen made.

“Since then, “No. 2” has resigned from their position at connectFree, but won’t be able to contribute to the Zig project for some time because of a “non-compete” clause present in the contract.“ So why do you care if No. 2 is not able to work on Zig if you don’t value the contributions he’s made to Zen?

Because they could make meaningful contributions to Zig, just as they had in the past.
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