Storm in a teacup over a stupid vines app. Really.
Microsoft Statement on TikTok
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Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…
>I think the main issue is this: >The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. Then why force them to sell to a US company specifically. Why wasn't Germany or any EU company with strong privacy laws allowed to buy them?
Hmm. I don’t seem to recall them trying? If a German (or EU) company wanted to buy that probably would have went through if it was the best deal.
But naturally they don’t want to offend China so why take the risk when you can try to play both sides as long as possible?
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…
>I think the main issue is this: >The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. Then why force them to sell to a US company specifically. Why wasn't Germany or any EU company with strong privacy laws allowed to buy them?
Like what company? No European company would make that acquisition. Europe doesn't even have any tech companies that are remotely as large as American tech.
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
So far it’s only been communist Chinese companies that have had to go through this (to my knowledge) in recent times. Tit for tat and al that. Maybe if China let Facebook, Twitter, etc operate then we wouldn’t have this problem.
There is no such thing as tit for a tat in a civilisation with rule of law. Either USA had privacy laws that forbid Tik Tok from participating in USA marketplace or USA doesn’t have rule of law and operates under some form of dictatorship.
So what should the US do when China does not allow some US companies to operate in China?
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…
Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…
TikTok might very well be helping spread this sentiment, but this generation has lived their entire lives in the post-9/11 era and all of the attendant fear culture, American quasi-imperialism, Snowden disclosures, etc. We invaded Afghanistan as they were starting to be born, almost 2 decades later this very weekend we're negotiating with the Taliban, again, for peace. Is it really that difficult to believe that a good chunk of them might have ended up with politics that reject a hegemonic US that hasn't seemed to do much for them, while still carrying on foreign entanglements that stem from an event they don't even remember?
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…
You’re probably right based on the amount of downvotes you’re getting. I don’t use TikTok or much in the way of social media, but if you’re saying it’s true, with a reasonable conjecture and you’re getting downvoted I think the probability of you being correct is increased. It’s not so much that you actually are right, but that you’re exposing a contrarian idea that doesn’t align with either CCP apologists or certain…
All of my posts critical of the CCP get heavily downvoted before eventually climbing back into the positive. They're usually not countered with an argument, or if they are, they're usually nuanced and appreciate that this is a complex issue.
Too much nationalism is dangerous, but I fear we've slipped into a state of disaffection that will cause us to lose the lead.
I think there is a lot at risk if China's tech sector and export industry eclipses the West. Our jobs, standard of living, and strong democracy might be eroded.
Not everyone in America has the same experience or opportunity. But I felt like we were getting better. I can't see that progress continuing in a world dominated by a totalitarian regime.
Covid, extreme partisanship, and the growing threat of China make the future seem bleaker than it did half a decade ago.
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#67This reminds me a bit of a wing-man situation not working. "Donald tried to hook us up on a date, but she wasn't interested."
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? Everyone who believes Facebook was used to influence the 2016 election should believe TikTok poses a similar threat. I'd agree that the threat is overblown, but many serious people, in good faith, seriously believe it.
Current US intelligence officials [1] are among those serious people who seriously believe that social media is being used to influence American elections. [1]: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-election-interference...
If you read any account of the history of the KGB and GRU (obviously the west does it too), so-called Active Measures are their bread and butter. It would be bizarre if they weren't trying to influence countries via social media
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#69> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…
> I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube or Facebook video.
Do you have any evidence of this happening? I've never heard of pro-US censorship before on any of these platforms (or any social media platform..)
Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…
Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…
That's not anti-US sentiment, it's satire critiquing the "all lives matter" crowd. Everyone who posts that message still thinks that 9/11 is a national tragedy - in fact, that's why the comparison to "all lives matter" is apt.