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Re: Firebug

#61

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Is there consensus on what to use instead of weinre these days? I have mobile-only issues with my web apps rarely enough that I feel like I always have to start searching from scratch to find a remote debugging tool.

Both chrome and Firefox support debugging their mobile android versions from their desktop versions. I'm sure safari offers the same for iOS.

Actually, last time I had an issue with iOS safari I found this really useful since I'm developing on Linux:

https://apitman.com/12/#debuggin-ios-safari

Re: Firebug

#62

Firebug, along with web developer toolbar, changed everything for me. I learnt web development on IE6 by editing html in notepad. I switched to Firefox for tabbed browsing and because it was faster. When I discovered firebug I almost couldn't believe it. What the hell had I been doing up to this point? Why doesn't everyone know about this? Later I discovered that Chrome had it built in and still most web devs hadn't…

If you had Visual Studio to go with IE6, you had access to simply amazing debugging tools.

Those tools blow even today's Chrome and Firefox dev tools out of the water in terms of accessibility, both in terms of keyboard/mouse and discoverability of interface.

Sadly, few people had access, because you had to either pay or pirate.

Re: Firebug

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post #48

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I started writing CSS the same week it was first available in Internet Explorer 3, so "doing it the way you've always done it" isn't really a good excuse. Being able to click on a value for most things (left, top, width, height, etc) and use the up and down arrow to dynamically move an element around the page, or otherwise tweak anything about it - that's game-changing. If you aren't using the dev tools to tweak your…

I mean, what you're describing doesn't work for me, because the way I write CSS involves heavy reuse of classes and using CSS-Zen-Garden-esque element selectors. I try to "move around an element" in the panel? The whole layout breaks. The approach that makes the CSS inspector functional as a tool for modifying layout, is a completely different paradigm from the one I'm used to. To be clear, I'm a backend engineer; in…

>I try to "move around an element" in the panel? The whole layout breaks.

Just more evidence you are doing it really wrong. But, whatever makes you happy, I guess.

Re: Firebug

#64

Firebug, along with web developer toolbar, changed everything for me. I learnt web development on IE6 by editing html in notepad. I switched to Firefox for tabbed browsing and because it was faster. When I discovered firebug I almost couldn't believe it. What the hell had I been doing up to this point? Why doesn't everyone know about this? Later I discovered that Chrome had it built in and still most web devs hadn't…

Firefox took tabs from Opera.

Re: Firebug

#65
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post #21

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I learnt CSS long before Firebug. Which means that still to this day, I’m vaguely paranoid that I’m underutilizing Firebug (or its successor dev tools) when I write CSS. The interactive model Firebug exposes just never clicked for me. I feel like said model is maybe more easily-absorbed when you’re starting from scratch, and don’t have the “iterate by editing the CSS file and refreshing the page” model burned into yo…

I started writing CSS the same week it was first available in Internet Explorer 3, so "doing it the way you've always done it" isn't really a good excuse. Being able to click on a value for most things (left, top, width, height, etc) and use the up and down arrow to dynamically move an element around the page, or otherwise tweak anything about it - that's game-changing. If you aren't using the dev tools to tweak your…

I could still do all of that by implementing some JavaScript to immediately preview the CSS I am writing.

I don’t really think there is a paradigm shift except for general learning curve that is in effect here.

Re: Firebug

#66

Firebug, along with web developer toolbar, changed everything for me. I learnt web development on IE6 by editing html in notepad. I switched to Firefox for tabbed browsing and because it was faster. When I discovered firebug I almost couldn't believe it. What the hell had I been doing up to this point? Why doesn't everyone know about this? Later I discovered that Chrome had it built in and still most web devs hadn't…

I think many had a similar experience with Firebug, including me. I remembering coming across it for the first time in an issue of Dr Dobb's. I read the article wide-eyed. Truly a "game changer" worthy of the term.

Re: Firebug

#67

Firebug, along with web developer toolbar, changed everything for me. I learnt web development on IE6 by editing html in notepad. I switched to Firefox for tabbed browsing and because it was faster. When I discovered firebug I almost couldn't believe it. What the hell had I been doing up to this point? Why doesn't everyone know about this? Later I discovered that Chrome had it built in and still most web devs hadn't…

Firefox took tabs from Opera.

Excel invented tabs! (Got this from some MSFT presentation, when they introduced tabs tonIE)

Re: Firebug

#68

Firebug, along with web developer toolbar, changed everything for me. I learnt web development on IE6 by editing html in notepad. I switched to Firefox for tabbed browsing and because it was faster. When I discovered firebug I almost couldn't believe it. What the hell had I been doing up to this point? Why doesn't everyone know about this? Later I discovered that Chrome had it built in and still most web devs hadn't…

If you had Visual Studio to go with IE6, you had access to simply amazing debugging tools. Those tools blow even today's Chrome and Firefox dev tools out of the water in terms of accessibility, both in terms of keyboard/mouse and discoverability of interface. Sadly, few people had access, because you had to either pay or pirate.

> Sadly, few people had access, because you had to either pay or pirate.

not to mention a crazy fast computer choke full of RAM.

Re: Firebug

#69
post #14

Confused. I thought Firebug is no longer needed because the functionality is part of Firefox developer tools, which have been always visible in Firefox for years (at least in many Linux distros, maybe that's not a Mozilla default?). The site mentions Firefox Developer Edition. What is that? A quick search seems to indicate that it's just one version ahead of Beta, what was called Aurora in the past. Certainly if you…

You should read the whole web page and you would understand.

Re: Firebug

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post #54

They're advertising a web development tool on a website that doesn't scale to my laptop's 1280x800 monitor. I literally don't know what to say to that.

It's a tribute page, not a money maker site. They did fine.
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