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Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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Personal anecdotes about habits and promises. I've tried many different things to motivate myself to either abstain from behavior like smoking or to keep up healthy streaks.

An example would be a promise I made last Christmas to my fiancée. I've had a hard time quitting smoking because it's my go-to solution when life is stressful and feels like the walls are coming down. I gave her 500€ and told her that money is for a small holiday for us next summer if I don't smoke. If I smoke she can keep it all and use it for whatever she wants.

Now when I wanted to smoke, I'd have to weigh the decision against that promise. The downside was, I had a clear price that I could decide to pay if I wanted a cigarette. Needless to say, I failed in two months and now she has a new sewing machine.

On the other hand, I've now managed to keep a 45 day streak on duolingo. It's a way smaller thing and there's nothing externally motivating me except that damn little owl and a little lit flame icon displaying my streak. There's no penalty for failing nor is there any way to wiggle out of failing if I choose not to do my daily exercises. My main motivation is just to learn Welsh for the sake of it and I find it much easier to keep this up than any other habit which comes with internal or external pressure.

Making your friends hold you accountable to something just sounds like the recipe for getting unmotivated and losing the actual goal and swapping the enjoyment of doing something into fear of some sort of penalty which one could decide was worth facing.

I've also heard that talking too much of your ideas and goals will decrease motivation as you gain some feeling of success which should be rewarded to you after you've actually done the deed. I feel that this personally affects me and I've stopped talking about goals and I'm just trying to reach them and celebrating afterwards.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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Personal anecdotes about habits and promises. I've tried many different things to motivate myself to either abstain from behavior like smoking or to keep up healthy streaks. An example would be a promise I made last Christmas to my fiancée. I've had a hard time quitting smoking because it's my go-to solution when life is stressful and feels like the walls are coming down. I gave her 500€ and told her that money is fo…

As far as I understand, your experience mirrors the research.

External motivation (like a reward/penalty, accountability partner, etc) is weak. Internal motivation is incredibly strong. So the question becomes, how do you get internally motivated?

I wish I had a reference, but I remember hearing about a study (here on HN) about where internal motivation comes from. The conclusion — a mixture of 3 elements: Purpose, competence, and freedom.

Basically, you're in a situation where there's something that needs done. You have a strong sense of purpose that it ought to be done. (There's a huge "why" element to this!) You have the freedom to achieve it in whatever means you see fit. And you have any skills necessary.

Sounds like with DuoLingo, you're already at the point where it's a locked in habit. (So your mind is on autopilot with that, not requiring a lot of motivation.)

But with smoking, you never had enough internal motivation. And I imagine smoking like other "bad" habits has a big emotional element to it. (You turn to it to calm down stress/anxiety.) Have you thought about those emotional elements and what's causing those? Maybe trying to address those things _on top of_ an effort to kick smoking would be more effective.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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See also Ben Kuhn's "Make your habits zero-effort" - https://www.benkuhn.net/zero/ "Life hacks abound: Tell your friends about your plan so you’ll be embarrassed if you fail! Make sure you keep an unbroken streak! Charge yourself money if you don’t stick to it! Donate the money to your least favorite charity! Forget donations, how about electric shocks? The escalating absurdity should tell you that this problem is un…

While not 0, that’s how I managed to start exercising. I started with a 5-7 minute routine. It barely took any time and that made it the first time I kept up regular exercise. Now I use an app, but it’s longer (with warm up, exercise, stretching) and I never would have managed to stick with it before building the habit.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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post #36

See also Ben Kuhn's "Make your habits zero-effort" - https://www.benkuhn.net/zero/ "Life hacks abound: Tell your friends about your plan so you’ll be embarrassed if you fail! Make sure you keep an unbroken streak! Charge yourself money if you don’t stick to it! Donate the money to your least favorite charity! Forget donations, how about electric shocks? The escalating absurdity should tell you that this problem is un…

That's cool, I haven't seen this idea summed up so well. Do you have any examples of this? One thing I do is put sites I want to spend less time on into my hosts file. That way I have to edit a file, which means leaving the context of my web browser, before I can access the site. Another habit I want to build is quick journaling first thing in the morning, so I made my browser start page a Google docs, and I automati…

If you’re on a Mac I can recommend Time Sink. $5, paid once, every few years there’s an update and I think it might be paid too, I dunno, it’s been feature complete for ages and it really just needs occasional “new OS broke something” fixes. https://manytricks.com/timesink/

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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If you're interested in this, have a look at my https://crushentropy.com/ It is markdown for planning and visualizing your day.

I've been using it consistently for several years now and I can say it has made me a lot more productive, as I'm more mindful of where my time goes, how fragmented my day is, etc.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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Habit trackers are great when you pair them with a smart watch and automations. I use an app called Streaks, Apple Watch and Shortcuts. Streaks can pick up health data and in Shortcuts I’ve set it up so it increments a counter in Streaks to keep track of when I open Instagram or Twitter. I’m not sure it gives me enough motivation to do something I don’t want to. But it does help me stay on track and not forget the th…

Have you used Habitica ? How does it compare to Streaks ? I was interest in trying Streaks also for the reason that it has a clean UI and an Apple Watch app but the high price is turning me down.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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Personal anecdotes about habits and promises. I've tried many different things to motivate myself to either abstain from behavior like smoking or to keep up healthy streaks. An example would be a promise I made last Christmas to my fiancée. I've had a hard time quitting smoking because it's my go-to solution when life is stressful and feels like the walls are coming down. I gave her 500€ and told her that money is fo…

The problem with DuoLingo is the complete loss when you slip. I was using it with my wife to learn German (I studied in high school and convinced her it'd be a great vacation). It worked great until a very busy stretch of days (I think it was around when we moved). We both list our streaks, and she stopped using the site entirely. I only kept up because there was nothing better to do during lunch breaks.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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If you're interested in this, have a look at my https://crushentropy.com/ It is markdown for planning and visualizing your day. I've been using it consistently for several years now and I can say it has made me a lot more productive, as I'm more mindful of where my time goes, how fragmented my day is, etc.

I am sure this is cool and all, but why would one put their daily planning in an anonymous online service by Insstant LLC that do not even bother to place a Privacy Policy link in the footer? Some slight improvements and more people might try it out.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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I highly recommend the book “The Power of Habit” by Charles Duhigg. It describes lots of interesting scientific findings.

That book introduced me to a technique for eliminating bad habits that has worked really well so far. Duhigg describes a case in which a lady was trying to stop biting her lip, so she was asked to carry a slip of paper with her, and whenever she felt the urge to bite her lip, instead write a tickmark on the piece of paper. This ended up working for her (and for me) because it is apparently easier to replace one habit with another (i.e. lip-biting with tickmark-writing) than to eliminate a habit completely. And once you’ve fully replaced your bad habit with writing tickmarks, it’s easy to stop doing the latter - just stop carrying pencil and paper in your pocket.

Re: Habitica – A gamified habit-building and productivity app

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Personal anecdotes about habits and promises. I've tried many different things to motivate myself to either abstain from behavior like smoking or to keep up healthy streaks. An example would be a promise I made last Christmas to my fiancée. I've had a hard time quitting smoking because it's my go-to solution when life is stressful and feels like the walls are coming down. I gave her 500€ and told her that money is fo…

Did you replace smoking with something else? My understanding is that habits can't [easily] be removed, only changed (short-term at least) - did you take up lollipops, or chewing matchsticks, or fidget-spinners, or ...
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