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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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So far in the news (that I consume) I only see countries being agressive towards Chinese software companies. I can't imagine this goes on and continues escalating long before China reacts strongly. What is China's response going to look like? I feel uneasy that their response is going to light the fire even more.

You've the order wrong. This is merely the world reciprocating.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.

Heavily nationalistic countries still can have allies.

Not in this case - since India app banning is more or less confined to China.

India is a fragmented country and the nationalism that western liberals cry about is the one of the few Centripetal forces pulling the fragmented states together and giving a semblance of cohesion in policy and governance.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't improve. I'm willing to bet on it. They are getting into the advertising business. Advertisers and privacy/security don't go together. India is just getting used to the internet. Massive market. Billion users.

Advertisers and security/privacy do work well together, from a certain point of view. As Jio, if I'd clone Zoom, I would add encryption, so that only I, Jio, would be able to analyze that traffic. Same thing with WhatsApp.

I meant security/privacy from the company in question. Jio.

e2ee in JioChat was just not even implemented. They just copied whatsapp.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

You can say the same about Facebook and Google in China...You can sideload or use VPN. Some do. Most don't. Blocking FB & Google ecosystems allowed for China to grow their own competitors.

The thing is, there's hardly anything outside GFW that an average Chinese would want, local alternatives often are feature rich and considered "more advanced", outside news are dismissed as "obscenely fake and hostile".

In the few Chinese that do pay for VPNs, most women use it to access Instagram for celebrities, most men for porn on Twitter.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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What if they ban like xiaomi or one plus. Those are like the most popular phones in India.

Xiaomi now makes their phones in India. https://in.event.mi.com/in/made-in-india

Only 65% of the value, and tbh, the R&D is in China, and most of the data collection that mi does benefits China much more than India. Hard to call it a phone "By India For India."

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

You can say the same about Facebook and Google in China...You can sideload or use VPN. Some do. Most don't. Blocking FB & Google ecosystems allowed for China to grow their own competitors.

You don't need a VPN here in India. Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 or DNS over https is enough.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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It's not exactly clear if the Indian Government has authority enough to do this ban, without presenting concrete evidence, under existing laws. There seems to be no semblance of a due process. As a democratic country India seems to trust its own citizens very less. Banning or not sufficient case has not been made in the public, only a cryptic communique from the Govt is all. What exactly was the threat from PUBG, whi…

PUBG was raking in the cash in India. I know quite a few people who snuck in games in breaks, and nearly every delivery guy I saw waiting around restaurants and stores was playing PUBG. PUBG mobile streams on YouTube were massive. IMO this is probably more about the economics, given we have no way of verifying whether or not PUBG was actually stealing any data.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xiaomi now makes their phones in India. https://in.event.mi.com/in/made-in-india

Only 65% of the value, and tbh, the R&D is in China, and most of the data collection that mi does benefits China much more than India. Hard to call it a phone "By India For India."

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VyFV6DmT1Ts/VZU3XajjCgI/AAAAAAAAF...

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems reasonable to me that most people would not go to such lengths as sideloading apps or employing a VPN to route around these issues.

You severely underestimate how Indian teens are addicted to PUBG. Kids have spent lakhs of their parents rupees on it. [1] Some have even dies due to addiction. [2] [1]- https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/aug/17/pu... [2] - https://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/16-year-old-addicted-to-pubg... There are many more. I just gave a single example.

I dont think I do though. Video game-addicted teens dont constitute 'most' of the Indian population.

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Like all other internet bans in India I doubt this one will have any teeth. Everyone has a "Free" VPN app that they use to bypass these restrictions. Most people own Android phones where they can sideload apps downloaded from some third party APK website (of questionable trustworthiness) iPhones have negligible penetration in India so are not even a part of the equation.

TikTok doesnt work at all now. The company accepted the ban so they themselves are stopping the app from working.

But it's notifications still get through via google play services. No idea why they would allow that.
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