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> For people blocking facebook
I love that this is a category of people. (I'm one of them.)
Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what gets me to move away from Android. I like the Andoird ecosystem more, but my hate for advertising supercedes all of that.
That's ironic given some of the best possible ad blocking on mobile devices is Ublock Origin on Firefox mobile which is only available on Android (Apple only allows third party browsers to wrap Safari on iOS). Its 2020 and the only modicum of privacy you can get is a rooted android device.
> Its 2020 and the only modicum of privacy you can get is a rooted android device.
There is also Pinephone with pure GNU/Linux and killswitches.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#63> We believe that industry consultation is critical for changes to platform policies, as these updates have a far-reaching impact on the developer ecosystem. Why should platform makers consult the advertising industry? It's not like the advertising industry consulted anybody before they started collecting every bit of data they could.
I'm honestly interested about this, Facebook is a big company.
Is there no case of FB screwing over its partners? Like locking or limiting an API that they had offered in the past, etc.
One thing that comes to mind immediately is that Facebook Messenger used to be accessible through XMPP and then they blocked that.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what gets me to move away from Android. I like the Andoird ecosystem more, but my hate for advertising supercedes all of that.
That's ironic given some of the best possible ad blocking on mobile devices is Ublock Origin on Firefox mobile which is only available on Android (Apple only allows third party browsers to wrap Safari on iOS). Its 2020 and the only modicum of privacy you can get is a rooted android device.
That is a good point. I switched from Chrome to Firefox for ublock, and I use Firefox Focus regularly. That will be sad to lose moving to iOS.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#65Given the attitude on HN about iOS14, I don’t think most here grasp the implication of gutting ad attribution. All publishers (news sites, indie games, etc) are going to see huge drops in CPM. It could easily be a business ending shift. Sure removing IDFA will help protect user privacy, but let’s not kid ourselves that there will not be collateral damage. Being a third party publisher will be that much harder and wal…
If that was really the case then why are FB and Google fighting it so hard? Shouldn’t they want this then?
I believe it will still comprise a reduction in their revenue. The internet as a whole will be less profitable, and only the big players will be able to survive.
Maybe with time there can be a shift in the economics, but I would not bet on it. I can’t imagine people will start paying for email, search, music streaming...
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#66> Ultimately, despite our best efforts, Apple’s updates may render Audience Network so ineffective on iOS 14 that it may not make sense to offer it on iOS 14. Seems like Apple is really backing up their rhetoric with real action. Awesome news for anyone that values privacy. Kudos to Apple.
Only if they made this accessible to everyone. You need a thousand dollar phone which is useless in 3 years
Apple has 5 years support for their iPhones, which is way longer than the 18months from other manufacturers.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what gets me to move away from Android. I like the Andoird ecosystem more, but my hate for advertising supercedes all of that.
That's ironic given some of the best possible ad blocking on mobile devices is Ublock Origin on Firefox mobile which is only available on Android (Apple only allows third party browsers to wrap Safari on iOS). Its 2020 and the only modicum of privacy you can get is a rooted android device.
iOS has many ad blockers which work as well as Ublock. 1Blocker for example. On top of it these blockers don’t need to read contents of the site to block ads.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do newspapers need to know what websites every subscriber visits in order to put ads in the paper? The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false.
Sure. As long as the flip side of that argument is equally appreciated - ad revenue pays for the apps, so less revenue will necessarily lead to fewer "free" apps and/or fewer "free" features and/or worse quality. It's a rational response of the intermediary (i.e. app makers) to the customers (i.e. advertisers) having less access to the product (i.e. us).
free != quality
ads == worse quality
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do newspapers need to know what websites every subscriber visits in order to put ads in the paper? The idea that privacy needs to be conceded in order for a healthy ad market to exist is false.
Not sure about "healthy", but un-targeted advertising is a total waste of money, unless you're some big generic brand. High-value advertising revenue generally comes from very specific brands targeting very specific users. Of course you can do certain kinds of targeted advertising without user profiles, but I don't see how that would work on Facebook.
On Facebook, information that users voluntarily and explicitly provide is fair game for targeting IMHO. The rest should come from the content of the page.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#70Gosh, there goes Apple with their anti-competitive monopolistic behaviour again. Facebook better join Epic in the queue at the courtroom. (sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious)
I wonder if FB tried to negotiate and Apple's response was "For a small fee, merely 30% of your company's ad revenue, we can remove the permission requirement.."