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Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Could you imagine a government agency spying on its own citizens? In America that would be illegal and unconstitutional. We would have to immediately defund that agency.

Imagine a country where you have zero power to elect officials and have no constitution, so you could never have oversight over it. Oh wait, that’s the system (via China/Russia) that our intelligence agencies are helping protect us against.

I have zero power to elect officials in both China/Russia and the US...

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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No, I meant they are part of the bulwark against countries like China/Russia taking over the world.

This is a seriously nutty belief, that you claim to have. This year the increase in our military spending was bigger than Russia's entire military spending. We could cut our military budget in half and still dwarf China's.

Our armed forces are safeguarding Americans from a worldwide foe that could show up anywhere on the globe.

To beat the world, we have to outspend the rest of the world combined on defense.

Perhaps the greatest danger to American defense is insider threats. If the looming danger from insider threats is stark enough, we will absolutely need to find a way to outspend ourselves on defense.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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When I read about western intelligence agencies, one can't help but look at the last decade or so and ask, what was it they said their job was again, specifically?

Can intelligence agencies be the case of "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." (A line from Futurama)?

Sure, that would be possible in an abstract tabula rasa sense, if we had no awareness at all of the last seven decades. At this point, we've seen quite enough evidence to conclude that they mostly do wrong, and occasionally we find out about it. Mike Pompeo and James Clapper are typical "intelligence officials", which means that there are much worse actors lurking deep in those organizations.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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When I read about western intelligence agencies, one can't help but look at the last decade or so and ask, what was it they said their job was again, specifically?

Can intelligence agencies be the case of "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." (A line from Futurama)?

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Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Are there "kinds" that are not covered by the law and are more okay to have their rights abused?

I have no idea (I'm Swedish, not Danish) what all of this is about. That's why I'm asking. I don't like what you're implying.

Well, the article says that they are accused of spying on danish citizens and providing the results to foreign entities without authorization or legal base. You ask what were the targets implying that it matters and some "targets" are not as equal as others. Sorry if I've gotten you wrong.

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For those of us who haven't read the book, could you summarize please? Anecdotally that claim seems untrue. Intelligence services have had a tangible effect on world history.[1][2][3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann#Capture

> Intelligence services have had a tangible effect on world history.[1][2][3] You forgot the most important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway >Military historian John Keegan called it "the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare",[9] [...] Most significantly, American cryptographers were able to determine the date and location of the planned attack, enabling the forewarned U.S. N…

Best of all: it was (partially) a chosen plaintext attack!

> Admiral Nimitz had one critical advantage: US cryptanalysts had partially broken the Japanese Navy's JN-25b code. Since early 1942, the US had been decoding messages stating that there would soon be an operation at objective "AF". It was initially not known where "AF" was, but Commander Joseph Rochefort and his team at Station HYPO were able to confirm that it was Midway: Captain Wilfred Holmes devised a ruse of telling the base at Midway (by secure undersea cable) to broadcast an uncoded radio message stating that Midway's water purification system had broken down. Within 24 hours, the code breakers picked up a Japanese message that "AF was short on water". No Japanese radio operators who intercepted the message seemed concerned that the Americans were broadcasting uncoded that a major naval installation close to the Japanese threat ring was having a water shortage, which could have tipped off Japanese intelligence officers that it was a deliberate attempt at deception.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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I have no idea (I'm Swedish, not Danish) what all of this is about. That's why I'm asking. I don't like what you're implying.

Well, the article says that they are accused of spying on danish citizens and providing the results to foreign entities without authorization or legal base. You ask what were the targets implying that it matters and some "targets" are not as equal as others. Sorry if I've gotten you wrong.

I checked https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/ifkfsi/tre_ledende... - seems like noone really understands what's going on. Internal drama?

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Let's start a global program for shifting intelligence funding to schools. Education is a better defense than mass surveillance.

Number of people working for intelligence services in my country: around 2000.

Number of people working in education: 342100.

It won't make a dent.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Danish citizens which is only allowed to be done by the police. And withholding of information to be reported.

Is it related to that Iranian kidnapping plot that led to Denmark being shut down for a while the other year? (Only because it's the most dramatic thing to happen there in a bunch of years, that would be related to the intelligence service.)

The grounds of accusation are kept secret as it is based on confidential information.

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Could you imagine a government agency spying on its own citizens? In America that would be illegal and unconstitutional. We would have to immediately defund that agency.

Imagine a country where you have zero power to elect officials and have no constitution, so you could never have oversight over it. Oh wait, that’s the system (via China/Russia) that our intelligence agencies are helping protect us against.

PRC and Russia both have constitutions...
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