How to immediately lose a segment of your customers? Hmmm ah yes, require FB for login! Way to go!
Guess the extra PII + the ad space are more valuable to them than a slight decrease in hardware sales.
Facebook account now required to login to Oculus devices
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#62Palmer Luckey, the original creator had this to say over on /r/oculus: I am already getting heat from users and media outlets who say this policy change proves I was lying when I consistently said this wouldn't happen, or at least that it was a guarantee I wasn't in a position to make. I want to make clear that those promises were approved by Facebook in that moment and on an ongoing basis, and I really believed it w…
>In hindsight, the downvotes from people with more real-world experience than me were definitely justified. I don't want to assume bad intent, but I find it hard to believe that someone could be so naive about the project and the organization controlling it.
To close the deal, I suspect that many assurances were offered by Facebook. Why do we assume that he lied instead of someone at Facebook?
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#63The larger point here is that there needs to be sensible limits on how many markets or products a single company or group can operate in (among many other regulations). Otherwise the endless acquisitions by the global behemoths will continue right into techno-fascism of one kind or another.
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#64Palmer Luckey, the original creator had this to say over on /r/oculus: I am already getting heat from users and media outlets who say this policy change proves I was lying when I consistently said this wouldn't happen, or at least that it was a guarantee I wasn't in a position to make. I want to make clear that those promises were approved by Facebook in that moment and on an ongoing basis, and I really believed it w…
Exhibit n + 1 on why when you're acquired you're not in a position to promise anything to anyone despite any assurances from the acquirer. Or, from the consumer's side, why those promises should carry no weight.
The same thing applies to the gullible idealists that believe in B-Corporations
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>In hindsight, the downvotes from people with more real-world experience than me were definitely justified. I don't want to assume bad intent, but I find it hard to believe that someone could be so naive about the project and the organization controlling it.
It was 6 years ago in 2014. Facebook has done a lot of stuff since then to reveal it's true colors.
Plus, Luckey was 22 in 2014. That's plenty young to be naive (though that does nothing to excuse his behavior since then).
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#66Well this is horrifying. I bought a Quest for a relative. He loves it, but he doesn't have a Facebook account, and has no interest in signing up. I have a Facebook account, but I don't use it, and I certainly don't want to connect my Oculus account. I guess we'll both have to sell our Quests. That means we'll lose all of our game purchases. I came to Oculus with eyes wide open knowing it was a Facebook company, but t…
Just make a burner Facebook account. You can do so with a burner email. Annoying, but not horrifying.
You can make a burner email account that doesn't track you around the web, and other places.
Is it possible to do that with a Facebook account?
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#67Well this is horrifying. I bought a Quest for a relative. He loves it, but he doesn't have a Facebook account, and has no interest in signing up. I have a Facebook account, but I don't use it, and I certainly don't want to connect my Oculus account. I guess we'll both have to sell our Quests. That means we'll lose all of our game purchases. I came to Oculus with eyes wide open knowing it was a Facebook company, but t…
If you make a Facebook account and never touch the Facebook aspect of it, is there any material difference between that and an Oculus account?
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#68So if I don't have a Facebook account and I buy an Oculus Quest after October, does this mean I may have to submit a copy of my driver's license just to set up a piece of consumer electronics?
You need to submit a copy of your driver's license for a FB account these days??
Facebook has a policy where they can arbitrarily ban you for failing to "prove your identity" if they believe your account does not use "the name you go by in real life." One of the ways they ask you to prove your identity is to send in a license.
Unsurprisingly, this ends up hurting all sorts of people who do not use their legal names online: people who have just chosen other names, people who want to avoid being targeted or stalked, trans people, etc. They've updated this policy to allow for some of these situations (https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/facebook-real-names-1.336...) but folks still get banned for failing to comply.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
You need to submit a copy of your driver's license for a FB account these days??
If that is the case it would be harder to get a FB account than to vote in some states...
What do you mean? Are you aware of a long history, and continued attempts today, of voter disenfranchisement in the US?
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#70I never have nor never will have a Facebook or Twitter account. Probably not other social media either.
It's bad enough having a Google account and all that encompasses.
It is astonishing that another company would require an account on some other system. Now I don't have a problem with allowing using your Google, Facebook, etc. account as a convenience to authenticate your account on some other service.