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Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by liability »

acituan wrote: post #59
Scoundreller wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And which virus would that be that lives in cats and bugs? And the cat’s too slow to catch a mouse nowadays. But it’s the same situation: most of what you’re vaccinating against is feline specific. The cat’s free to go outside at any time, but nowadays prefers the comforts of being indoors. The only solid argument against my strategy is nosocomial infections from the vet themselves.

Mosquitos, snails, slugs and fleas can absolutely carry worms to your cat. You can carry fleas on your clothing for example if you pet an infected animal on the street.

What do worms or fleas have to do with vaccines?

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by wittyreference »

fullshark wrote: post #10
ttul wrote: post #4

I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.

So many forecasts i hear about the fallout of this, such as everyone living in private fortresses in the suburbs working from home, not going into large groups ever again, abandoning the cities, conferences, and universities for online vocational training seem dystopian to be honest.

And frankly, speaking from one of the hotspots: this isn't even in the rearview yet, and there's a huge fraction of people already grabbing denial with both hands and returning to life-as-usual. The idea that we won't get there when this is in the rearview mirror is like... it's not even a disagreeing forecast, it's actively ignoring what's happening right now.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by acituan »

liability wrote: post #61
acituan wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mosquitos, snails, slugs and fleas can absolutely carry worms to your cat. You can carry fleas on your clothing for example if you pet an infected animal on the street.

What do worms or fleas have to do with vaccines?

Periodic deworming, if you are to use prescription dewormer or get it in the form of a shot, will require vet visits.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by ZanyProgrammer »

fullshark wrote: post #10
ttul wrote: post #4

I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.

So many forecasts i hear about the fallout of this, such as everyone living in private fortresses in the suburbs working from home, not going into large groups ever again, abandoning the cities, conferences, and universities for online vocational training seem dystopian to be honest.

Yeah it’s more of a wish fulfillment than anything resembling an objective forecast.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by liability »

acituan wrote: post #63
liability wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do worms or fleas have to do with vaccines?

Periodic deworming, if you are to use prescription dewormer or get it in the form of a shot, will require vet visits.

Yeah but that's not vaccination. His cat's vet is upset he doesn't vaccinate the cat, so I think it's safe to say he's not avoiding the vet in general.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by wesleywt »

clairity wrote: post #36
serf wrote: post #30

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>dying from sporting event-acquired flu is really, really low on the list of dangers to worry about. worry about the trip getting there instead, if you must worry. these kind of statistics are not for personal caution, they're for risk assessment and public policy. 141 total infant botulism cases were reported in 2017 -- it still warranted a report and investigation work in order to assess the possibility of future p…

> "...they're for risk assessment and public policy." even for that, it's inconsequential. there are many greater and more relevant risks to worry about at a policy level. food-borne botulism has a different risk profile in that the ever-increasing centralization of food distribution can potentially unbound those risks. > "...another now-quantified danger does nudge your average 'danger score' higher. ...more people…

While you are inserting the worry here. I think a person who is susceptible to flu, such as the aged, should be aware that they should probably get a flu shot before they go to their favourite team that has lost for the last 50 years. Otherwise they might not make it to the day they finally win.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by undersuit »

rossdavidh wrote: post #3

Couldn't we go further, and just say "cities increase seasonal influenza mortality"? I mean, anything that is social, is almost certain to involve increased transmission of human-to-human infectious diseases. Live theater, classrooms, church services, drag shows, you name it, if it involves bringing a lot of people together, it's probably going to increase the spread of infectious diseases that spread by human-to-hum…

Why don't we go further and not blame cities. Outbreaks can happen in the country barn dance or whatever.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by samatman »

ttul wrote: post #4

I can foresee that one of the consequences of the pandemic will be a permanent change in the way that society views transmissible diseases. Prior to March, it was okay to gather in large groups and just get sick a few times a year. After the pandemic, I’m not sure people will be okay with that anymore.

I hope it leads to the widespread adoption of the East Asian attitude that it is incredibly rude and inconsiderate to be sniffling, coughing, and sneezing, in public, without wearing a mask.

I think it's quite unlikely that it leads to a permanent taboo on large gatherings. They're too much fun.

Re: Professional sporting events increase seasonal influenza mortality in US cities

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Post by acituan »

liability wrote: post #65
acituan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Periodic deworming, if you are to use prescription dewormer or get it in the form of a shot, will require vet visits.

Yeah but that's not vaccination. His cat's vet is upset he doesn't vaccinate the cat, so I think it's safe to say he's not avoiding the vet in general.

OP said

> A cat that no longer goes outside and occupants that don’t interact with other cats basically means the cat is under total isolation.

Which is not entirely true. Even indoor cats can get worms, and periodic deworming is part of preventative care as vaccinations. The fact that deworming vs vaccinations interact with the cat’s immune system differently is an implementation detail that is inconsequential to this discussion.

> so I think it's safe to say he's not avoiding the vet in general.

That’s not how I understand it.

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