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> Apple won't be phased Nit: fazed, not phased.
That doesn’t jive with how I’ve been spelling it....
It's jibe :)
Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
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Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
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I think nVidia could run into some serious anti-trust issues if they tried to interfere with the ARM ecosystem. There's far too much at stake here. Is there a phone on the planet that doesn't run ARM?
I think there’s some MIPS and SH-3/SH-4 smartphones from the early 2000s still around. I had an SH-3 PDA in 2001, but Microsoft dropped support for SH-3 and MIPS in Windows CE by the time “Windows Smartphone 2002” came out (my 2002 HTC Canary runs ARM, IIRC) so it’d have to be a non-CE platform. What did the Palm Handspring use?
Palm and handspring used moto 68k before PalmOS 5.0, ARM since then
Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
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There was the apple gpu fiasco. Apple laptop GPUs were failing at an extraordinary rate in 2010-2011, and Apple were getting harangued in the media about it (which was justified). Apple eventually announced a program to cover replacement of the GPUs, but it was very delayed. I'm 100% convinced the delay was caused by Nvidia refusing to accept responsibility. When the program was released, in order to have the repair…
Don't get me wrong, it makes sense to use diagnostics to verify hardware issues, but they aren't the only tool you can use. I'm convinced Nvidia only would reimburse apple for computers that had a recorded failure of this specific test. In 2010, Apple wasn’t exactly a beleaguered company. It wasn’t like NVidia not reimbursing Apple would break the bank. Apple should have repaired it just to protect its reputation. Jo…
I do think Apple should have just undertaken the repairs much, much earlier. I do also think that it was incredibly complex situation, and my guess is Apple was flabbergasted that Nvidia initially wouldn't reimburse them for the failed parts. So, internally at apple, my guess is that it was about the 'principle' of the matter. They also probably recognized that if they started replacing the boards of their own volition without an agreement in place, they would never be able to get any compensation from nvidia at all.
Again, I agree with you, apple should have launched the program much, much earlier.
But, I mean, that's besides the point because this isn't a post about how Apple handled these failing GPUs, it's about Nvidia's inability to work with others.
Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
#65I'm in agreement. nVidia's history of not playing nicely with others does not make this sound like a good deal, especially for entrenched ARM vendors. (Apple won't be phased; they basically design everything themselves, so they don't really even care about the direction of ARM or the architecture. They could hard fork tomorrow, or two years ago, and nobody will notice since they're entirely vertically integrated.) Bu…
> Apple won't be phased Nit: fazed, not phased.
I mean, they presumably also won't be phased either
Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was the apple gpu fiasco. Apple laptop GPUs were failing at an extraordinary rate in 2010-2011, and Apple were getting harangued in the media about it (which was justified). Apple eventually announced a program to cover replacement of the GPUs, but it was very delayed. I'm 100% convinced the delay was caused by Nvidia refusing to accept responsibility. When the program was released, in order to have the repair…
That situation was also following Nvidia spoiling one of Steve Jobs' announcements even further back, so there was already a bit of bad blood.
Good point, I had forgotten about that.
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#68I for one would welcome this. Firstly, as mentioned, it gives people incentive to look into RiscV. That aside, for far too long QCOM has had a monopoly on the phone chip market. Patents aside, which increasingly became irrelevant due to the death of Sprint, their major advantage has always been in Adreno, which as far as I remember AMD basically did for them. Mali is terrible. If Nvidia could revamp ARM graphics at t…
It will be the end of Linux on ARM. They will choke platform with blobs until the inevitable death. NVIDIA and open-source is like matter and antimatter - they simply cannot coexist in the same place and time.
ARM has little use except for open source. They have zero incentive to kill it, as they don't compete with it.
Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
#69I for one would welcome this. Firstly, as mentioned, it gives people incentive to look into RiscV. That aside, for far too long QCOM has had a monopoly on the phone chip market. Patents aside, which increasingly became irrelevant due to the death of Sprint, their major advantage has always been in Adreno, which as far as I remember AMD basically did for them. Mali is terrible. If Nvidia could revamp ARM graphics at t…
> Mali is terrible care to elaborate? the Panfrost project has reverse engineered a bunch of popular Mali ISAs and now there's hardware support on the kernel for VA-API on these chips. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Panfrost
Mali has never come close to Adreno. Simple as that.
Re: Arm co-founder: Sale to Nvidia would be a disaster
#70I for one would welcome this. Firstly, as mentioned, it gives people incentive to look into RiscV. That aside, for far too long QCOM has had a monopoly on the phone chip market. Patents aside, which increasingly became irrelevant due to the death of Sprint, their major advantage has always been in Adreno, which as far as I remember AMD basically did for them. Mali is terrible. If Nvidia could revamp ARM graphics at t…
Samsung recently entered into a licensing deal with AMD to use their graphics technology in a mobile design. Early performance leaks/rumors are very promising (if true).
I don't see this as much of a problem, competition is already on the way.