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Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by dencodev »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49
mc32 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were to happen I can imagine at least some people who were for his pardon in ‘14 would denounce the pardon if it came to be.

Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do. He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe. Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

If a European country lets a hostile country like Russia earn trillions by running pipelines through their country, are they really that much of an ally? Tarrifs make perfect sense in response to actions like that

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by non-entity »

mc32 wrote: post #54
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do. He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe. Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

The only one I disagree with is cutting funding to USPS. Europe and Canada (nor anyone not specially exempted) should not enjoy advantage in trade. People were beside themselves over rumors of Russian snipers, this guy was directly responsible for troop deaths and much more instability in the ME. We’ve just seen peace agreements begin to bear fruit in the ME —would that have been possible with that guy stirring up ho…

> this guy was directly responsible for troop deaths and much more instability in the ME.

Should Trump then assassinate Bush and Obama?

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

dencodev wrote: post #61
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump should pardon Snowden because it's the right thing to do. He should also not be undercutting the post office, assassinating Iranian generals, enforcing tariffs on allies like Canada and Europe. Pardoning Snowden is a meaningless gesture, it does nothing to stop the military industrial complex and the intelligence apparatus that he supports

If a European country lets a hostile country like Russia earn trillions by running pipelines through their country, are they really that much of an ally? Tarrifs make perfect sense in response to actions like that

Trump has continually let Russia do as it pleases, he kowtowed in Syria to Putin, he kowtowed by threatening to constantly defund NATO, he kowtowed in Crimea.

The facts are just too obvious. Trump is pro-Russia, he's done nothing but allow it to expand and influence US elections, too.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by slg »

dencodev wrote: post #60
slg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manning stood to face her her crimes like a long line of revered civil disobedients before her. Snowden ran away into the arms of a hostile foreign power. That has just as much to do with pissing off the government as what either of them revealed.

The laws that would out Snowden and Manning in prison for life are unjust and there's nothing wrong with what either of them did. I don't blame Snowden for leaving a country full of idiots calling for his death

And Manning stuck around to fight those laws on the frontline with great personal risk and sacrifice. Snowden fled to avoid having to make the type of commitment that Manning had made.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by mc32 »

non-entity wrote: post #62
mc32 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only one I disagree with is cutting funding to USPS. Europe and Canada (nor anyone not specially exempted) should not enjoy advantage in trade. People were beside themselves over rumors of Russian snipers, this guy was directly responsible for troop deaths and much more instability in the ME. We’ve just seen peace agreements begin to bear fruit in the ME —would that have been possible with that guy stirring up ho…

> this guy was directly responsible for troop deaths and much more instability in the ME. Should Trump then assassinate Bush and Obama?

No, only external adversaries would entertain such pointless notion. Just like Duterte might in his dreams think of sinking Chinese ships, in reality he’d dig his own grave if he did.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by derision »

Alupis wrote: post #59
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In no particular order. 1) Trump is very much not of fan of the sorts of shadowy warrant-less surveillance that snowed exposed (because he feels it was used against him) so this could be a dig at that apparatus. 2) Obama didn't pardon him despite doing so being far more popular on the left than right (at least up until present, no telling what will happen going forward) and this could force Biden in a tricky situatio…

> because he feels it was used against him It's seeming like this is quickly turning from a "he feels it was used against him" into an unequivocal "it was used against him".

I've seen more than enough evidence through the reports and proceedings on FISA abuse ala Carter Page and Peter Strzok that I'm convinced it was definitely used against him, during and after the election.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by JPKab »

bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

Trump's an asshole, and if he pardons Snowden, he'll be less of an asshole than Obama was for NOT pardoning him.

I voted for Obama twice, and the fact that he didn't pardon him told me everything I need to know about him being full of shit and made me regret ever supporting him.

FYI: I worked at Booz Allen when Snowden went public. I can't talk about any details, but basically I upended my life, left DC, and went pure private sector as a direct result of his revelations. I still don't make what I made then, and I don't care. If not for him, I would have still been working on stuff that was undermining the US constitution. All my coworkers were acting like he was Satan, and how he made Booz Allen look bad, and blah blah blah. My favorite moment was asking my coworker, who was defending the spying, if she would give me her email password. You can guess the response.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by mc32 »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #63
dencodev wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a European country lets a hostile country like Russia earn trillions by running pipelines through their country, are they really that much of an ally? Tarrifs make perfect sense in response to actions like that

Trump has continually let Russia do as it pleases, he kowtowed in Syria to Putin, he kowtowed by threatening to constantly defund NATO, he kowtowed in Crimea. The facts are just too obvious. Trump is pro-Russia, he's done nothing but allow it to expand and influence US elections, too.

How is asking for fair proportional funding of european defense something we should be responsible for?

I understand we benefit from that too, but why should we carry the burden more than the direct beneficiaries?

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