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Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by paulie_a »

xyst wrote: post #2

I won't be buying Intel CPUs for years to come. Haven't upgraded since 2016. Years of "incremental" improvements while still advertising $1000+ CPU prices has deterred me for quite some time. Intel fanboys might eat it up though. Given their history of significant delays in the current roadmap, how does this compare to their competition who is quickly advancing on 10nm? Also what is this internal naming schema? > The…

Meanwhile amd has been cleaning their clock for decades at a better price point.

Literally there were people born that can legally drink now. Intel is the grey goose of chips. Amd gets the job done

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by culturestate »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #57

Does anyone know where Intel's codenames come from? They're... supremely weird. "Ivy Bridge" and "Skylake" evoke images of fantastical locations—chasms transversal only by green bridges woven of ivy, or serene bodies of water that float among the clouds. "Willow Cove" is similarly suggestive, if somewhat more mundane. But, Tiger Lake? Coffee Lake? SuperFin? Is there a formula here?

> "We have a formal process for what types of things are lakes vs. bays vs. peaks," Tripp told us. However, he didn't elaborate on what that process was. "Different components are named after different geographic areas."

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/decoding-intel-code-names

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by typh00n »

SaltySolomon wrote: post #40
SloopJon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I build a new computer to replace my Ivy Bridge hackintosh, the only thing that would keep me on Intel at this point is the desire to build one last hackintosh before Apple goes full ARM. At the middle level, say Ryzen 3700X vs i7-9700, they're pretty close.

Its quite possible to build an AMD-Hackintosh, its quite in stlye really.

depending on your workload you will have some troubles with an amd hackintosh (e.g. logic plugins)

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by KMnO4 »

SaltySolomon wrote: post #40
SloopJon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I build a new computer to replace my Ivy Bridge hackintosh, the only thing that would keep me on Intel at this point is the desire to build one last hackintosh before Apple goes full ARM. At the middle level, say Ryzen 3700X vs i7-9700, they're pretty close.

Its quite possible to build an AMD-Hackintosh, its quite in stlye really.

I would absolutely love to do this but AMD is somewhat annoying when running MacOS.

1. Really bad VM support. No Hypervisor framwork, which means problems with Docker (apparently some workarounds for Docker specifically, but not 100% stable). Things like Parallels Desktop, Android VMs, etc won't work.

2. Problems with Adobe suite apps crashing on boot. Some patches exist but last I checked there was nothing for Lightroom (which I use a lot).

3. Things like iMessage, Facetime, Siri, etc won't work

4. Uses a custom kernel and there can be hassles related to power management.

etc.

My use case would have lots of problems, but it's definitely a great option for people who don't need VMs or Adobe.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by lagadu »

rwmj wrote: post #5
a012 wrote: post #4

So this CPU is about to compete with AMD Ryzen 4000 laptop series?

It will be competing against the AMD Ryzen 4000, and most likely losing that competition.

Unfortunately the ryzen 4000 series already compares fairly unfavorably against the ice lake 10th gen mobile cpus on arguably the two most important mobile metrics: per-core performance and overall battery use. It's really unfortunate how AMD just isn't dedicating as many resources to the mobile as it deserves.

That said, by the time Tiger Lake comes out, Zen3 mobile will likely already be close to shipping, hopefully there will be significant improvements there.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by julianlam »

Wandfarbe wrote: post #59

When i read comments here i'm wondering how and why people are either for or against intel? IF i need to upgrade, i will check the current situation and will buy the best cpu in comparison to my needs and price. If it means that i need tons of core because of my workload i might choose a threadripper. Do i need to compile often and i know a specific intel cpu will save me ton of time waiting but it costs more? Fine.…

There's no one particular reason, I think, it's just yet another thing to show brand loyalty for.

I'm fairly certain every single person has used or currently uses an Intel powered machine, so choosing AMD has a bit of caché to it (ha ha get it), because you're supporting an underdog, and as it so happens, that underdog has been kicking Intel's butt as of late.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by 013a »

xyst wrote: post #2

I won't be buying Intel CPUs for years to come. Haven't upgraded since 2016. Years of "incremental" improvements while still advertising $1000+ CPU prices has deterred me for quite some time. Intel fanboys might eat it up though. Given their history of significant delays in the current roadmap, how does this compare to their competition who is quickly advancing on 10nm? Also what is this internal naming schema? > The…

Intel's CPUs today are still king when it comes to single-thread workloads, like gaming. The main difference in the past two years has been that AMD has taken the lead in multi-thread performance, and that's scared Intel so much that they've significantly improved multi-thread performance and price across the board.

The difference is quite stark, in both directions [1]: AMD destroys Intel in anything that benefits from multiple cores at the same product tier (Ryzen 9 3900x vs i9 10900k), in some workloads as high as 50%. But, Intel wins when gaming; usually by around 5-10%.

The more measured position is: If you're just looking for the best value brand right now, AMD is the way to go, even if you are gaming. The 10900k is better than the 3900x for gaming, but its also a ~$120 up-sell: At similar pricing tiers, the single-thread performance difference is likely quite similar. But if you just want the best at any price, that's still Intel: More cores won't save every workload.

[1] https://www.pcworld.com/article/3543993/intel-10th-gen-revie...

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by derefr »

Wandfarbe wrote: post #59

When i read comments here i'm wondering how and why people are either for or against intel? IF i need to upgrade, i will check the current situation and will buy the best cpu in comparison to my needs and price. If it means that i need tons of core because of my workload i might choose a threadripper. Do i need to compile often and i know a specific intel cpu will save me ton of time waiting but it costs more? Fine.…

When you're a business, you can't make turn-on-a-dime decisions like that. You commit to business-equipment purchase/leasing/upgrade agreements with a particular OEM; who in turn usually commits (for economy-of-scale reasons) to one CPU supplier or the other. So, if you're stuck with an OEM who's in turn stuck with "the wrong" CPU supplier (right now Intel), that can make you cross, at the potential performance that's being left on the table.

But even for the individual, unless you're buying sealed non-upgradable appliance devices, you've still gotta consider the fact that in building a PC, you're choosing a motherboard socket, and thus potentially making it cheap to upgrade to later-gen CPUs that stay compatible with that socket.

In that mindset, it makes sense to be happy with the CPU maker you're "stuck with" for a while when they provide good, high-ROI upgrade options; and to be angry with them when they don't.

Re: Intel’s 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake SoC Detailed

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Post by frankc »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #6
xyst wrote: post #2

I won't be buying Intel CPUs for years to come. Haven't upgraded since 2016. Years of "incremental" improvements while still advertising $1000+ CPU prices has deterred me for quite some time. Intel fanboys might eat it up though. Given their history of significant delays in the current roadmap, how does this compare to their competition who is quickly advancing on 10nm? Also what is this internal naming schema? > The…

Everyone I know, including myself, have gone AMD 39xx. Damn what a beast at a reasonable price.

At this point though intel has slashed their price/core to be competitive if not better than threadripper. They don't have anything that compete in core count, but if you look at the 9980/10980 series with 18 cores, its very competitive on a price basis per core with the 24/32/64 core threadrippers. If you want max cores then you still need to go with threadripper but if 18 is enough, i don't get all the hate 10980 gets. There are certain linear algebra related workloads where the intels excel and why I would probably go with the 10980x were I to upgrade (which im probably not, 4 year old pc doing fine)
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