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Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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Option 1 is the ideal case, yes. And New Zealand pulled it off (unfortunately, it was undone when a covid patient re-entered the country). But it's not the only benefit. Reducing the number of cases obviously reduces the risk of the disease spreading. The idea is to seriously lock down / wear masks, etc. for ~6 weeks to get to a point where the case-load is so small that it's manageable with little effort (not back t…

New Zealand is the perfect example. They have zero immunity, therefore they have to stay absolutely quarantined from the rest of the world indefinitely. If a vaccine is only partially effective, and their tolerance for cases is literally lockdown at the first case, then they will never re-open.

> vaccine is only partially effective

Different vaccines will have different efficacy. None will be perfect.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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> We know a lot about COVID now - who's most vulnerable, how likely people are to die I find this sentiment as funny as I do frustrating. This thing has been around ~8 months. We know some about this virus. We are still completely ignorant about the long-term effects. And we're continuously finding troubling signs about it. It's looking like even mild cases can result in long-term brain, heart, and lung damage [1]. T…

> If we'd taken it seriously earlier like virtually every other modern civilization, we'd be living in much more normal circumstances today. That's a line I hear repeated but it doesn't seem to align to reality. Even places that have taken this deadly seriously have seen reoccurent outbreaks including Hong Kong[^1] and Tokyo[^2]. Likewise some areas that had very loose restrictions initially.. never had it that bad.…

Yeah, lockdowns could probably have been avoided in most of the world if decent surgical masks had been shipped to each citizen, and they complied with wearing them.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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Lockdowns are terrible for human mental health. We're not meant to live that way. I mean, we put people in prison as punishment because it sucks. I don't care what these people read in to the data - lockdowns are hurting everyone's mental health and making people act strangely. We know a lot about COVID now - who's most vulnerable, how likely people are to die, etc. What staggers me is that huge groups of people are…

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Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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post #39

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Calling what we did in most of the US a "lockdown" seems like a misnomer. Wuhan did an actual lockdown where people sometimes had their apartment door welded shut and police were arresting people who went outside - that's a lockdown. In the US it was more of a shelter-in-place order. Now that we know more about how the virus spreads we can make those more targeted - forbidding people from going outside at all, for ex…

This is No true Scotsman applied to “lockdowns”. Semantics aside, there is no question that certain personality types might even favor such an environment, while it’s also inarguably true that other personality types find it highly detrimental. I doubt the answer can be found in anecdotes, nor will the true impact be fully felt or known for some time. However claiming that wellbeing levels improved seems to me to be…

> The unemployment levels alone are overwhelming evidence that isn’t true

However, a lot of those unemployed service workers were making more money on unemployment than they did in their previous jobs. Add in the $1200 check and that certainly helped in that April-July period.

> there is no question that certain personality types might even favor such an environment

Yes, for sure. Introvert here. Loved it. I guess that means I could have had a successful career in lighthouse keeping in a former age.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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Speak for yourselves. For anyone whose wellbeing improved, they likely have everything in place already. They have stable jobs, stable families, stable savings and income sources, people they are either able to see in their homes or regularly elsewhere, and are not affected by travel bans and other effects of the viral outbreak.

My wellbeing is at an all-time low and has continued to deteriorate since January. My family is split across the world due to unnecessary travel bans. Everyone in this thread is saying how the lockdowns were unnecessary long term but then everyone is seemingly okay with the government killing people's jobs and splitting up families with travel bans that don't take anything into consideration. There's no reason why travel for family members and H1B workers and immigrants, especially those in extraneous situations, is still blocked when hotel quarantines could be put in place, just like they are for inter-country travel. Just in my circle alone, the U.S. has lost a dozen or so Chinese citizens who hold advanced degrees or who are doctors who were either forced back to China, wanted to go back (and get out of the U.S.), or can't come back to the U.S. Good luck with the brain drain since these people were working for U.S. hospitals and companies. Not only are we losing people who were already here and wanted to be here, we're going to lose countless more who would have come to the U.S. in the future. This will have consequences.

My fiancée is locked out of the country. We can't sell her car because she's not here and there are policies in place that protect against the situation. Online car selling websites have auto-locked our account since she logs in China, and I log in from the U.S., and they won't re-open it as "you can't sell your car while on vacation" (direct quote). The title transfer process is difficult if not impossible while she's out of the country, and we need help, but the RMV is not responsive. If you can even find a phone number for the RMV, you call and then it states they have high call volume and then says to call back tomorrow and then automatically hangs up on you. We're paying for a car, including insurance, that just sits around and can't legally sell it without embarking on a process that could take months and capital to simply secure the title before even attempting to sell. People always support insurance companies as if they decide your premium based upon statistics and probability. So what's the probability that our car that just sits parked and is driven once every week or two gets damaged and why haven't our rates gone down to reflect this greatly reduced probability? Yet, if I got a ticket tomorrow, they'd have no problem raising the rates.

My rent actually was increased in March, and rent everywhere seems as high or higher than before as I try to move due to noise issues with my neighbors. Our marriage is getting delayed by years due to this. We can't get through the travel bans or anything else because we're not officially married (we had planned on doing it immediately after coming back from China), and we can't get married unless we're together, yet you can enter into all sorts of other legal agreements remotely.

Policies are not updating with the situations, if anything they're regressing, and everything is moving in molasses. Everything is taking at least twice as long as it did before. Prices are actually increasing for things. All the predatory behavior on people has increased and now people have a new excuse (COVID) on why everything doesn't work or is slow.

If your wellbeing has improved during this time, good for you. For those of us where it hasn't, it has deteriorated exponentially. And my family is in the best of the worst cases. We still have our jobs, have places to stay, and have supportive families. I truly feel for those struggling. The narcissism of people to think that they're happier because their commute is gone is mindboggling, when people are dying or living as death on a daily basis due to everything going on.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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I can sympathise. A lot of the time you don't even spot loneliness. Years later you realise it was eating away at your mental health. I think cultures which move their children directly from the family household into a marriage may be on to something.

Also cultures where multiple generations living under the same roof is the norm. I left home at 18 for university and had given up any expectations of living with my family for meaningful amounts of time (a couple of weeks a year is not the same, felt like a guest in my own home). Because of covid, I have been at home since a couple of months. My mental health has improved drastically. I didn't even realize the ways…

Hopefully cultural changes as a result of lockdown will mean you don't have to make that choice.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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This data is questionable at best but great headline for those who want to hope that we have solved COVID.

I would argue that this headline is greater for the people who want to hope we haven't solved COVID than those who want to hope we have.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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post #9

Lockdowns are terrible for human mental health. We're not meant to live that way. I mean, we put people in prison as punishment because it sucks. I don't care what these people read in to the data - lockdowns are hurting everyone's mental health and making people act strangely. We know a lot about COVID now - who's most vulnerable, how likely people are to die, etc. What staggers me is that huge groups of people are…

Speak for yourself, I've been happier during our "lockdown", which wasn't actually a lockdown. My mental health certainly isn't hurt because of it.

What staggers me is that huge groups of people see countries that didn't take this seriously vs countries that did, and the difference in deaths, and yet still don't want to take this seriously.

Re: Wellbeing levels fell with the pandemic but improved under lockdown, data shows

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post #37

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I've heard this many times but I don't understand the thinking behind it. How could a lockdown shorten the duration of a pandemic? AFAIK there's only three ways a pandemic ends: (1) eradication: we control the spread so effectively through testing, tracing, and isolation that no more new people are infected (2) herd immunity: enough people get infected that the potential pool of new hosts causes the transmission rate…

Right, but the lockdown helps us choose exit door 3 (inoculation) instead of 2 (herd immunity).

Providing we can stay locked down until the vaccine is ready.
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