Seems bold considering China’s firewall and all the US social media and chat apps it’s banned.
"China does it too" is not as strong argument as it sounds.
It's how reciprocity in international trade works.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m Chinese but you wouldn’t preface my actions with “consider China’s firewall.”
That depends on whether you're controlled by the Chinese state. If you are, someone might well say this. The root question is whether TT/BD is/are controlled by the state. Given the size of the company and the CCP drive to control "large" (a flexible concept - which intensified after Xi Jinping came to power - it is not unreasonable to assume the state has significant influence.
You can say that about anything under the jurisdiction of Chinese law. It's not like they have a choice. US companies are also "controlled" by the state in the same manner we are accusing these companies because the Chinese government can compel them to release their data to them in the same way national security letters can be used, and in the same way NSA data harvesting is being used.
The difference right now between China and the US is that everybody knows China is monitoring everyone—even Chinese citizens.
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Is it possible that the administration doesn’t actually want to ban Tik-Tok but simply remove them as a factor for the election?
Is Tik-Tok considered an election factor?
Rumor is it was the TikTok Teens who made Trump's recent rally such a disaster by mass registering for tickets and not attending.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
That depends on whether you're controlled by the Chinese state. If you are, someone might well say this. The root question is whether TT/BD is/are controlled by the state. Given the size of the company and the CCP drive to control "large" (a flexible concept - which intensified after Xi Jinping came to power - it is not unreasonable to assume the state has significant influence.
You can say that about anything under the jurisdiction of Chinese law. It's not like they have a choice. US companies are also "controlled" by the state in the same manner we are accusing these companies because the Chinese government can compel them to release their data to them in the same way national security letters can be used, and in the same way NSA data harvesting is being used. The difference right now betw…
I mean, everyone knows the US is monitoring everyone, except Americans seem to have some mental clutch where they keep denying the fact.
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#65Note at the end: "TikTok helps fund NPR content that appears on the social media platform."
Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday
#66I support TikTok in this matter. I'm not comfortable with the United States banning companies. We should strive to be the best place on earth to do business in. We are an open country and we benefit from being open. We benefit from competition. If I'm afraid China is taking my personal information, it's up to me, the consumer, to delete the app. It's up to Apple to design APIs to prevent real theft of such things as…
Your points about TikTok's content compared to Twitter's content are interesting, but seem anecdotal and personal to you. I use Twitter almost exclusively for art, and I try to avoid any politics trending or people attacking each other or Trump. TikTok has an abundance of politically-charged content from people with different political views, but it's just not always on the surface (although sometimes it is).
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No. Trumps delayed ban is for a wiggle room for an American company (Microsoft) to acquire US and other non-China assets. This effectively means that the app is not a national security threat but the ownership of it is. And that threat was as determined by the executive without any charges. I am opposed to such unilateral powers where the executive plays godfather and decides the rules of the game.
Are you against executive orders in general or just this one? Because surely one of the most popular social media platforms in the world, operated by the enemy, with access to troves of personal user data that can be used for election interference, blackmail, propaganda, etc. is a national security threat. And yes, other social media platforms, including Facebook, pose national security threats as well, but it’s up t…
I am against this one. If Congress comes with a bill which clearly defined which companies can be banned or forced to sell assets, I am ok with it because the rules are clearly defined.
However, with an executive order as this one, the rules of "national security" will keep changing with the political desires of the president in charge. Maybe someday a President will come and ask you to divest your Tesla shares because the President at the time doesn't like Elon musk. This is too much power in the hands of one person, especially an erratic one as the current POTUS.
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The legal argument is much more clear though. The US can impose embargo via executive order. Keep in mind Australia dropped Huawei over security concerns for their national broadband network back in 2012. China is a totalitarian regime that suppresses speech and is reeducating an entire ethnic group, possibly even forcing them into factory jobs.
Saudi Arabia is also a totalitarian regime. It suppresses speech, executes citizens prejudicially and extrajudicially even outside their own borders, arrests and charges women's rights activists of treason, dozens of executions by beheading of non-violent drug offenders per year, human rights activists are arrested and imprisoned without trial, and so on. Maybe we should just stop doing business with Saudi Arabia too…
oh we totally should. The US has historically extracted resources from regimes who play nice. When they stop playing nice or might want something a little better, the US goes all Iraq/Iran/Libya on them.
The foreign aid of high income countries (US, EU, etc.) is always used to prop up autocratic governments for resource extractions. It's how high income states enforce autocratic policies outside their borders, in order to keep their citizens happy with cheap oil and cheap plastic crap.
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There is no requirement that US based lawyers must be US citizens.
There is very much a constitutional requirement that the government can't tell you you can't have the lawyer you want because they are a US citizen. That's a clear violation of the 14th amendment right to due process...
Since when does the US apply its constitutional rights to foreign entities?
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#70Note at the end: "TikTok helps fund NPR content that appears on the social media platform."
What are you trying to say?
You make it sound as if you did some investigations and found this out on your own, yet the statement is right there. In order for your comment to be meaningful it would need to include something more than just the excerpt, like an analysis or opinion.