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Did the concept of SIMD even exist in 1971?

I can’t think of any noteworthy idea in computing that didn’t exist in 1971.

I definitely do not have the chops for this, but I would love to see some sort of visualization that traces major, seemingly-modern computing ideas to their roots.

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Did the concept of SIMD even exist in 1971?

I can’t think of any noteworthy idea in computing that didn’t exist in 1971.

The Single Static Assignment form was only created in 1988, which is apparently so late that compilers are still discovering it (and the optimizations it enables) as some novelty today.

(Never even mind the Single Static Information form.)

I wonder if part of the reason SSA is not implemented from the start by many compilers, is precisely because it came too late to be included in seminal works like A Catalogue of Optimizing Transformations; so people that rely on those works as a canon of "classes of optimization techniques that work" won't even be aware of it.

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More snarky: the earliest dataflow analysis paper I can find is from 1972. :)

Re: Frances Allen has died

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Fran and I were on the same floor at IBM's Watson lab. I was in an AI project doing applied math, e.g., some optimization, and mathematical statistics (for the AI work we were doing, system monitoring, i.e., anomaly detection, better than our AI work!). She was regarded as a major expert in compiling and numerical codes for scientific computing. I heard that she was working on a software product that among many other…

I’m sure you are just trying to share a memory of interacting with an illustrious colleague here - and my sympathies go to you as it’s always a shock to learn of the passing of someone you worked with. But I think you maybe need to work on how you present this anecdote - as it is, it reads like you tried to mansplain her own research to a Turing Award winner. I hope you approached with more humility than this telling…

Imagine you were at Frances Allen's funeral, and you walked up to graycat, after he told this anecdote about his esteemed friend and colleague, and said these words to him.

Imagine the frozen look of disgust on everyone's face. Imagine the flush of shame coming to your cheeks.

That's what you did. You should apologize for that.

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I’m sure you are just trying to share a memory of interacting with an illustrious colleague here - and my sympathies go to you as it’s always a shock to learn of the passing of someone you worked with. But I think you maybe need to work on how you present this anecdote - as it is, it reads like you tried to mansplain her own research to a Turing Award winner. I hope you approached with more humility than this telling…

Imagine you were at Frances Allen's funeral, and you walked up to graycat, after he told this anecdote about his esteemed friend and colleague, and said these words to him. Imagine the frozen look of disgust on everyone's face. Imagine the flush of shame coming to your cheeks. That's what you did. You should apologize for that.

Hey, I understand the feeling, but responding like this is also a move in the online shaming game / callout culture, and that's what we're trying to avoid here (https://hn.algolia.com/?query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang&s...).

The irony is that your and jameshart's motivations are likely similar. You're both reacting to a perceived slight and standing up for someone who you believe deserved to be treated better. That's a positive motivation, but we need to learn to take the shame bit out. Otherwise it just escalates, and where do we end up?

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Interesting. If you search for "died" on HN in the last month, say, you'll find many examples. Most have 0 or 1 comments, many have around the same as this has now, but none are about it being sad to not have heard about that person. Any idea why this one in particular made you feel that way?

Many years ago, I had a good friend named Frances who lamented the fact that people generally could not keep it straight that Frances is a girl's name and Francis is a boy's name. Rembering that friend, I clicked on the link to check the gender because people don't always follow the rules about such things and because I was short of sleep and wondering if I was even remembering that correctly. Given my reason for cli…

> the fact that people generally could not keep it straight that Frances is a girl's name and Francis is a boy's name.

I literally just looked it up, because I wasn't sure. The simple rule presented is that if it's Frances with an e like in "her", then it's the name historically used for women, and if it's Francis with an i like in "him" then it's the name historically used for men.

It truly is a shame that the farther you go back in computer science, the more likely names whose traditional gendering is somewhat ambiguous are to refer to women, and how now that luminaries of the field are passing away, how much more even the field was between the sexes in the past.

We often talk about how we need to bring more women into the field of Computer Science, but I think it's important to note we're trying to bring them back into the field, because they were here from the beginning and it wouldn't be the same without their contributions.

Re: Frances Allen has died

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Fran and I were on the same floor at IBM's Watson lab. I was in an AI project doing applied math, e.g., some optimization, and mathematical statistics (for the AI work we were doing, system monitoring, i.e., anomaly detection, better than our AI work!). She was regarded as a major expert in compiling and numerical codes for scientific computing. I heard that she was working on a software product that among many other…

I’m sure you are just trying to share a memory of interacting with an illustrious colleague here - and my sympathies go to you as it’s always a shock to learn of the passing of someone you worked with. But I think you maybe need to work on how you present this anecdote - as it is, it reads like you tried to mansplain her own research to a Turing Award winner. I hope you approached with more humility than this telling…

Why is there an assumption that graycat is male? Was there an indication of gender?

Re: Frances Allen has died

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post #66

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Imagine you were at Frances Allen's funeral, and you walked up to graycat, after he told this anecdote about his esteemed friend and colleague, and said these words to him. Imagine the frozen look of disgust on everyone's face. Imagine the flush of shame coming to your cheeks. That's what you did. You should apologize for that.

Hey, I understand the feeling, but responding like this is also a move in the online shaming game / callout culture, and that's what we're trying to avoid here ( https://hn.algolia.com/?query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang&s... ). The irony is that your and jameshart's motivations are likely similar. You're both reacting to a perceived slight and standing up for someone who you believe deserved to be treated better. Th…

Thank you for being equal-handed and fair.

Re: Frances Allen has died

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post #68

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I’m sure you are just trying to share a memory of interacting with an illustrious colleague here - and my sympathies go to you as it’s always a shock to learn of the passing of someone you worked with. But I think you maybe need to work on how you present this anecdote - as it is, it reads like you tried to mansplain her own research to a Turing Award winner. I hope you approached with more humility than this telling…

Why is there an assumption that graycat is male? Was there an indication of gender?

Not who you're responding to, but: My assumption was that the user is the greycat, which is the well-known alias of the programmer Greg Wooledge.

Now that you call it out, I realize that it's probably a mistaken assumption, because Greg spells it "greycat" not "graycat". But it wasn't an unreasonable assumption for HN.

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