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Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#62

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I don't understand - do you expect everything that isn't the name of a natural person to be written in all caps? If I write an article about how 'France is having a heatwave' do you get confused and think 'France' must be referring to a natural person?

In the article you linked: "We retain the middle cap in YouTube and MySpace because we think it prevents readers being confused by a word they are used to seeing in a particular way." I'm used to seeing NATO, and thought Nato might have been a political figure I hadn't heard of.

After reading this article you weren't sure what Nato was referring to? And thought maybe it was a political figure? Sorry, I can't believe that.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

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There are serious constraints on what can be done. Among others, why would any other country make an agreement with the US where the payoff is more than 4 years out? It has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to keep promises.

I think this concern is overblown. It certainly hasn't stopped Canada and Mexico from negotiating the USMCA trade agreement, for example. The JCPOA (more commonly known as the Iran deal) constrained Iran's nuclear program, and it was with great disappointment that I watched the administration withdraw. But there were anecdotal reports of transgressions on Iran's part, and the JCPOA was never submitted to the US Senat…

Do you have a source I could read on the Paris Agreement and its signatories' emissions increase? That is interesting.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#64

Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

A sane commander that starts useless wars in the Middle East to transfer billions of tax payer money to his donators?

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#65
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why is the BBC calling NATO Nato? I had to internet search to figure out what they were talking about

https://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/en/articles/art201307021121335... > Use the abbreviated form of a title without explanation only if there is no chance of any misunderstanding (eg UN, Nato, IRA, BBC). Otherwise, spell it out in full at first reference, or introduce a label (eg the public sector union Unite). > > Where you would normally say the abbreviation as a string of letters - an initialism - use all capitals with…

For what it's worth, I've always found this confusing, and every time I encounter it, it slows me down for a second.

I don't know if I'm an average reader or not. I wonder what that even means in this context: I imagine the average reader is probably expecting consistency with other media outlets.

It's especially odd when an organization always insists on capitalizing its own abbreviated title (NATO, NASA, OPEC, etc.) but the BBC refuses to do it. Seems like an instance of esthetics getting in the way of clarity.

Like many minor typographical issues, this one evokes an unnecessarily powerful reaction.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#67
USA itself is already souring on NATO, no hackers needed.

Many in the USA are tired of being criticized for being the "world police" yet the same critics also scream when the USA starts pulling its military personnel out of their country (like Germany, most recently).

I say Europe should use their own money to build their own Navy and Air Forces to protect their own interests and make their own trade and travel routes secure. Right now most EU countries are putting virtually none of their budget into military because everything is taken care of by the USA (and they can launder protection of interests through USA as well so USA takes all the heat if something goes wrong).

Maybe people will complain less about the US military when they have to use their own tax dollars to secure their own borders, shipping and air routes, protect their own interests, etc.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#68

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I'll trust their judgment. I don't trust the judgment of the current administration.

Periodically you will find a "harumph!" post challenged instead of blindly upvoted, please do your homework

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate?

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#69
post #34

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The one this fake story was designed to make you think it is behind it

Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is inaccurate or misleading? You are making an outlandish claim, that the BBC is lying in conjunction with FireEye. Back it up with evidence, or abstain from gaslighting please.

Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is accurate and not misleading? they are the ones that claimed it in the first place.

Also what do you think is more plausible for a western cybersecurity company's bottomline? make Russia innocent or make it guilty? especially when you got the backing of all western governments and media.

Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'

#70
post #38

Once the USA has a sane commander-in-chief again, it's going to need to completely overhaul its approach to the Eastern European region, among other things.

This Russian propaganda is obviously targeting President Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. He cancelled Missile Defense after opposition from Russia (famously promising "Vladimir" “more flexibility” on the issue after his "last election"). Eastern European leaders were warning Obama about Ukraine way before it happened but he wouldn't listen. And before…

"Russian propaganda?"

Well, I think that's the first time I've been called Russian propaganda. I got a good chuckle out of that.

EDIT - I misunderstood the comment. I'm leaving my original reply intact above, however, for clarity.

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