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ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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This is pretty cool. I was thinking about ordering and building a dactyl manuform [1] after my latest upgrade, the kyria [2] which improved the inflammation in my index fingers, failed to truly solve my issues because they put my thumbs in a very contorted position. I love how you can rotate the thumb keys as its unnatural to have your thumbs press keys in the same direction as the rest of your fingers. Having starte…

The Kyria...that looks like a lot of thought went into it.

And I like that you can download templates so you can print them out and find the right size.

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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I have never spent more than 30 € on a keyboard and mouse combo, and that's over the span of the last 10 years... I have never peeked over the price wall into the higher end stuff because it genuinely has never occurred to me that my current keyboard+mouse were hindering my productivity. High contrast screen? Sure, squinting hurts. Office-cancelling headphones? Sure, loud noises ruin my concentration But keyboard and…

The three most impactful things you can do to avoid wrist injuries are: (1) Ensuring your chair, desk, and keyboard are set up so your wrists are straight when typing (2) Using a split/tilted keyboard so your wrists do not need to rotate as much when you type (3) Using a vertical mouse so your wrist does not need to rotate as much when mousing You can accomplish all of this for very cheap. A bit more than you're spen…

Which cheap split keyboard do you use?

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

#63

One thing I have never been able to understand about split keyboard designs is why they don't put the characters on the split ("Y/T G/H V/B/N") on _both_ sides of the keyboard. I mean, are key caps a high cost? There's a correct way to type, but it doesn't need to be so strict. Sometimes (often) the natural use of a keyboard (like holding down a control character for a sequence of keys) makes it so that we type on th…

This is one of the two major issues I had with my last split keyboard. I also found that I orient myself by the edge of the keyboard, so an extra row of keys on the left side really throws me off.

This keyboard seems to solve both of those problems so I may take the plunge and buy one.

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never spent more than 30 € on a keyboard and mouse combo, and that's over the span of the last 10 years... I have never peeked over the price wall into the higher end stuff because it genuinely has never occurred to me that my current keyboard+mouse were hindering my productivity. High contrast screen? Sure, squinting hurts. Office-cancelling headphones? Sure, loud noises ruin my concentration But keyboard and…

The three most impactful things you can do to avoid wrist injuries are: (1) Ensuring your chair, desk, and keyboard are set up so your wrists are straight when typing (2) Using a split/tilted keyboard so your wrists do not need to rotate as much when you type (3) Using a vertical mouse so your wrist does not need to rotate as much when mousing You can accomplish all of this for very cheap. A bit more than you're spen…

While I have an ergodox, I completely agree with this. I'm still suffering from some RSI, but following this has helped me tremendously. I also want to add, just as you're suppose to turn away from the monitor every once in a while, make sure you stretch out your hands/arms and return it into the neutral position.

For those looking for a cheap split keyboard, a used microsoft sculpt can be found around $40 on eBay.

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The three most impactful things you can do to avoid wrist injuries are: (1) Ensuring your chair, desk, and keyboard are set up so your wrists are straight when typing (2) Using a split/tilted keyboard so your wrists do not need to rotate as much when you type (3) Using a vertical mouse so your wrist does not need to rotate as much when mousing You can accomplish all of this for very cheap. A bit more than you're spen…

Which cheap split keyboard do you use?

Currently I use the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, an enormous dinosaur which can reliably be bought for $20 used. I had the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for a few years before that, which I liked, but the build quality was very bad and I had two break on me.

I'm going to switch to either a goldtouch or kinesis freestyle soon, since I don't like the number pad. Those are $80-$120 but I hope the build quality will pay off in the long run.

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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Is there a similar keyboard in the $100 range? I do not need changeable keyswitches or an ARM processor in my keyboard. Currently I have the Microsoft natural ergonomic keyboard 4000 and I am quite happy with that. I just do not need a num block and think a split keyboard is easier for travelling. Are there any good split keyboards with hand rests in the $100 range?

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

#68

I appreciate that there is a market for ergonomic fancy keyboards, but can't we just get the standard keyboard right? I wish that there was a keyboard company out there that focused on standard keyboards with attention paid to supporting all locales. Choice for the US consumer might be great but elsewhere in the English speaking world you start getting compromises. Essentially you can get a US keyboard with a few of…

> Why can't there just be a manufacturer that goes for the niche of standard ISO rather than ergonomic, or with too few keys, or with some emphasis on buckling spring style feel?

Those features are what the mass consumer market wants. Also, I'm sure Logitech and Microsoft have always offered a standard ISO keyboard.

> Ergonomic

People value the long-term health of their wrists.

> Too few keys

Usually to reduce desk space. In the case of the Planck, it's also to reduce finger travel.

> Emphasis on key feel

If I'm typing at my job all day, I want the thousands of keypresses I do to feel good.

> niche of standard ISO

Honestly, I think standard ISO/ANSI is awful -- the vast amount of design decisions are a relic of the typewriter age.

The rows are staggered because typewriter keyboards had physical vertical bars under the keys that would otherwise overlap. An ortholinear solution makes much more sense in the modern age.

The second most-used key, backspace, is positioned in the far right corner of the keyboard. One must move their entire right hand (or have a long pinky) to hit it. The spacebar, on the other hand, is wasted real estate because it completely occupies two of the strongest digits -- the thumbs. Thus, a better solution would be to split the spacebar with one half being backspace.

This isn't even going into the nightmare that is QWERTY. Regardless of keyboard, almost everyone is using an inefficient layout designed to place common keys away from each other.

Conclusion: just because it's standard doesn't mean it's the best choice. IMO, when it comes to keyboard layouts, the standard is the worst choice.

Re: ZSA Moonlander: A next-generation ergonomic keyboard

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Already had somwthing like this. The wires made it useless for me.

Yeah, the wire between the two doesn't look that long. I wonder if it's a portable connector. From the bottom picture, it kind of looks like a headphone jack, but I'm doubting that's the case. I wish they'd have mentioned the connector type to see if there are alternative cables available.

As it is, it seems too short to comfortably have each half to my sides when laying down.

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