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How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by nix23 »

perfmode wrote: post #57

it's funny how the world works > a Harvard graduate student made a landmark discovery about the nature of human anger. the article doesn't credit the inuits with the discovery. > By contrast, Briggs seemed like a wild child, even though she was trying very hard to control her anger. "My ways were so much cruder, less considerate and more impulsive," she told the CBC. "[I was] often impulsive in an antisocial sort of…

Does not seam to work very well either:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/canada-indigen...

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by raincom »

dragonwriter wrote: post #59
raincom wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Western culture, lying is primarily connected to deception. In cultures where Semitic religions have not influenced, lying and deception are not same: one can lie, without intending to deceive. That's how one has to look at. One can lie for multiple reasons. For instance, to avoid conflict; or because one is not in a mood. Deception is one among many reasons. Why the western culture focuses so much on the unit…

> One can lie for multiple reasons. For instance, to avoid conflict; or because one is not in a mood. Deception is one among many reasons. In all of those cases deception is the purpose of lying, the other purposes described aren't alternatives to deception, they are the purposes for which one seeks to deceive. It's true that focussing on this has a nexus with Christian moral theory and it's influence on secular mora…

>In all of those cases deception is the purpose of lying, the other purposes described aren't alternatives to deception, they are the purposes for which one seeks to deceive.

That's what Christian morality says. There are other cultures which don't see the way you see. Western philosophy doesn't even answer the question "Why truth?"; only Nietzsche raises that question.

In Christianity, truth doesn't need any further justification; truth is its own foundation, because God is the Truth. Here the dispute is about how different ways of being in the world; how different cultures are different in different way, not as a variant of the West. Of course, the west thinks that every other culture is a variant of itself; in that sense, your answer is 'acceptable' to the people belonging to the Western culture.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by agustif »

yters wrote: post #60
choeger wrote: post #9

So a large part is to lie? I don't know. I mean, yes, I get angry by my children, and I don't know any parent that does not. Probably I get angry too often too early. But I really try hard never to lie to my kids. I even show them that I am angry because I think that's part of the game. Kids need to learn that other people have emotions. But telling stories about horrific creatures to avoid dangerous places? I don't…

I remember in high school learning electrons were balls. Then, later I learn they are actually fields. Was I lied to?

Yes, but only in an educative and reductionist way, in order to help your brain being able to grasp an idea, by introducing a simplified model of it before jumping into the details...

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by googlryas »

hutzlibu wrote: post #45
oh_sigh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does "making up stories" end and "mythology" start?

Both is the same. What matters is the intention. I will tell my boy stories about christmas and fairies, but I will not tell him santa exists as a real person.

Okay, so you just straight up lie to your children about fairies.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by nicky0 »

0_____0 wrote: post #54
tzs wrote: post #29

> Winter temperatures could easily dip below minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit Trivia: you can omit "Fahrenheit" after -40 without introducing ambiguity. -40 F == -40 C. (You can assume it is not K or Ra because those place their 0 points at absolute zero so -40 K or -40 Ra is not possible).

That's clever, but you're going to confuse readers and interrupt the flow of the article if you omit a unit where people expect one.

Hence "Trivia".

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by dragonwriter »

raincom wrote: post #62
dragonwriter wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One can lie for multiple reasons. For instance, to avoid conflict; or because one is not in a mood. Deception is one among many reasons. In all of those cases deception is the purpose of lying, the other purposes described aren't alternatives to deception, they are the purposes for which one seeks to deceive. It's true that focussing on this has a nexus with Christian moral theory and it's influence on secular mora…

>In all of those cases deception is the purpose of lying, the other purposes described aren't alternatives to deception, they are the purposes for which one seeks to deceive. That's what Christian morality says. There are other cultures which don't see the way you see. Western philosophy doesn't even answer the question "Why truth?"; only Nietzsche raises that question. In Christianity, truth doesn't need any further…

> That's what Christian morality says.

No, it's a simple fact: each of the examples provided is a further end that relies on deception in order for lying to further it, not an alternative end which lying can serve independent of producing deception. Christian (and Christian-derived) morality assigns particular moral significance to that fact, which other cultures might well disagree with.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by NortySpock »

dmos62 wrote: post #46
gameswithgo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps these kinds of magical ideas that we teach our kids makes them more susceptible to believing various religions/cults are real. That would be a downside.

When you stigmatize suspension of disbelief (myths, stories), you setup the child to chronically suspend belief. You get a person who can only value what can be pointed to and measured. A gullible person is bad, but the other extreme is no better.

Do you have a citation for that last claim?

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by mberning »

You can witness something similar in many rural areas, specifically where people are surviving off the land. Rarely does mother nature or anything else cooperate with plans or expectations. People just get used to it and develop a very workmanlike attitude.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by silicon2401 »

perfmode wrote: post #57

it's funny how the world works > a Harvard graduate student made a landmark discovery about the nature of human anger. the article doesn't credit the inuits with the discovery. > By contrast, Briggs seemed like a wild child, even though she was trying very hard to control her anger. "My ways were so much cruder, less considerate and more impulsive," she told the CBC. "[I was] often impulsive in an antisocial sort of…

This comment doesn't seem to be made in good faith and seems to be looking to take offense. It's reasonably clear here that "discovery" is relative to the society Briggs is from. The people who cared for Briggs made a discovery (whether on their own or through a different nation themselves), and Briggs' people ("westerners" to use a simple descriptor) made the discovery through Brigg's experiences.

Discovered is not reasonably understood as "discovered for the first time by a human". For all we know the Inuit tribe themselves only discovered their techniques from another nation.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by Scaevolus »

nix23 wrote: post #61
perfmode wrote: post #57

it's funny how the world works > a Harvard graduate student made a landmark discovery about the nature of human anger. the article doesn't credit the inuits with the discovery. > By contrast, Briggs seemed like a wild child, even though she was trying very hard to control her anger. "My ways were so much cruder, less considerate and more impulsive," she told the CBC. "[I was] often impulsive in an antisocial sort of…

Does not seam to work very well either: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/23/canada-indigen...

Do you have any evidence that those murders occur _within_ their communities by people raised like this?
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