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Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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No argument there. But at least he's a "smart engineer". Holmes wasn't even that.

If you honestly think that being smart on some dimension that you personally think is particularly virtuous is some sort of get out of jail free card, you might want to re-think your ethics.

Who is saying that being a smart engineer makes it OK?

But at least they are a smart engineer, unlike

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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> On March 4, 2020, Judge Schulman ... entered a judgment in Google’s favor against Mr. Levandowski in the amount of $179,047,998.64.

> As a result of Uber’s breaches, Mr. Levandowski has suffered damages in an amount to be proven at trial, which amount should be at least $4.128 billion.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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Fuck this guy. These people are the cancer of Silicon Valley that generally has integrity and decency in pursuing startup endeavors; with some rotten apples here and there like this guy and Elizabeth Holmes.

I have never heard anyone associate Silicon Valley with integrity and decency (pursuing startup endeavors). Not saying they aren't, I just never really heard it explicitly said so. Is this a common self perception within that region? What makes it so? Beyond a baseline of that most people consider themselves having integrity and decency.

Investors routinely entrust entrepreneurs with millions of dollars, after only some relatively-light due diligence. You'll meet for coffee first, then dinner, if you hit it off then more conversations, and eventually a term sheet. The investor doesn't ask for source code or technical documents, or subject the entrepreneurs to a rigorous examination to make sure it's not a scam. It's all based largely on trust.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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While I don't think Levandowski is a good guy (he did take a bunch of files, even if I think it's unlikely they were used in any real way), I think the way Google pursued him hinders skilled individuals from switching between companies and spreading innovation. Here's an excerpt from a New Yorker article about the case: > The judge, William Alsup, quickly tired of such distractions. “Despite the excellent quality of…

The dude stole all the IP. He literally downloaded it all on purpose the day before he left. And took his team with him. And had a meeting with the head of Uber (a rival) the day before he left, to plan his de-facto selling of the Google self driving car project (which he did not own but which he could basically duplicate with stolen IP and poached people).

If you or I did any of those things we'd have been crucified. The fact that he's still standing is a testament to our dual legal system, one for the wealthy and powerful and one for the normals. Had he just left without stealing the IP he'd be fine. He even could have gotten away with violating his non-solicit agreement. The fact that nobody can prove he used the stolen material doesn't really apply.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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The rule is never. You're never allowed to steal a massive data dump of your employer's IP.

parent said 'make massive archives'... I'm just in charge of backups.

Use corporate devices to take corporate backups. Don't download them onto your personal device.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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While I don't think Levandowski is a good guy (he did take a bunch of files, even if I think it's unlikely they were used in any real way), I think the way Google pursued him hinders skilled individuals from switching between companies and spreading innovation. Here's an excerpt from a New Yorker article about the case: > The judge, William Alsup, quickly tired of such distractions. “Despite the excellent quality of…

The dude stole all the IP. He literally downloaded it all on purpose the day before he left. And took his team with him. And had a meeting with the head of Uber (a rival) the day before he left, to plan his de-facto selling of the Google self driving car project (which he did not own but which he could basically duplicate with stolen IP and poached people). If you or I did any of those things we'd have been crucified…

Not to mention that his Google comp was in the neighborhood of 9 figures.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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Is it really so difficult to not make massive archives shortly before quitting your current employer? The GS programmer had the same problem. Somehow unable to simply walk away without making a backup of everything.

> make massive archives shortly before quitting your current employer What's the rule on this? two weeks? three months? two years?

The rule is don't put company data on personal equipment unless you're authorized to do so. If the company data is an archive or backup, you probably want that authorization in writing.

In small companies, personal equipment might get used incidentally, but if you work for a company with a budget, their data shouldn't go on your machines.

Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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While I don't think Levandowski is a good guy (he did take a bunch of files, even if I think it's unlikely they were used in any real way), I think the way Google pursued him hinders skilled individuals from switching between companies and spreading innovation. Here's an excerpt from a New Yorker article about the case: > The judge, William Alsup, quickly tired of such distractions. “Despite the excellent quality of…

Which sane well intentioned employee takes the company's files with them when they leave?

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Re: Levandowski files suit against Uber [pdf]

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This is an interesting claim. It basically says that Uber knew about Levandowski's crimes when they agreed to indemnify him against claims brought by Google. Given the way Uber seems to work, this wouldn't surprise me at all. There seems to be a lot of bullshit in this claim, but that specific piece wouldn't surprise me. Mostly unrelatedly, this part seems particularly shitty: > In fact, Uber had considered acquiring…

Hah...I remember guessing this might happen a few months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22633584
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