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Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Deaths in children are essentially 0

Which is not relevant. This is not an issue regarding the health of the children as much as it is the health of the teachers.

YES! I don't want my wife sacrificed by an asymptomatic kid carrying it to class

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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This is exactly why all the people that said "choosing to protect life is also choosing to protect the economy" were right. It sucks, but people with savings can choose to quit over having to risk their lives. So if there is an appreciable risk (and associated hazard, which, for many of our older educators there is) then that is what is going to happen and you still get the disruptions to the economy.

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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Even if N95 masks worked, do you think school districts will give every teacher an N95 mask every day? AFAIK there are way more teachers than "healthcare professionals" and we failed to get all the healthcare professionals N95 masks. I highly doubt we'd be able to get teachers the same amount.

why not? also, they have machines that can sanitize them so they can be reused.

That gets you only a small handful of reuses; it renders the mask safe pathogen-wise, but it doesn't clean the accumulated gunk out. A juicy sneeze will still render the mask useless.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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It is easy to go about and proclaim, "life is priceless", "I would prefer to have every student held back than one dead", and so on. What of students that have debt and now will have to wait more to get their "education"? Do you realize this is all going to cause more pain and suffering and possible deaths? Do you realize given more budget it is possible to save more people if you spend it wisely?

How does delaying your school career 1 semester cause death? What debt? School debt? Are you talking about college? If you aren't attending school at all then you aren't adding to the debt (in most cases with Federal loans). If its online then you are still on track so I don't see your point.

We are talking about large number of people. On average this would take away half a year of their productive life.

Nowadays, many people have a plan which is mostly: finish school, get a job based on the education.

It is not difficult to see that if you set back financially large number of people, suddenly, this might increase suicide rate, for example. Or may make them worse off in many different ways causing some to tip into loosing life.

These are not easy decisions, and saying "I would prefer people to pause their lives for 6 months than loose one life" is a completely braindead, extremist way of looking at things.

To show how stupid this is, you can use just a portion of your home budget to save a life. Today. There are many people that don't need much in the way of help. You are free to find one and help him/her, without involving large percentage of population that doesn't want to get involved in it.

I guess it is easier to go about and proclaim extremist slogans.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Nurses get about double the salary and literally signed up for this type of work. School teachers often buy their own supplies and aren't remotely prepared for this.

I'm OK with giving teachers the choice not to return - but they should absolutely NOT be getting paid. And those who want to work can do so.

This doesn't make any sense - it's possible to teach children remotely. It is not possible to be a nurse remotely. The two situations are not remotely (pun intended) similar.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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My mother is an elementary school teacher, and I don't want her to go back to school this year. The federal government is worse than useless, and the state government is feckless and unwilling to make the tough calls to protect people's lives. She's been a teacher for ~15 years and still makes less than $30k a year teaching. She loves helping the kids, but her life isn't worth it.

My parents are both nurses and they went to work and they were fine.

One, it depends where.

And two, nurses get paid quite well maybe 3x as a teacher as teachers. Why would teachers risk their lives for barely nothing?

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Human ingenuity has accomplished some marvelous things in the last century. I can't help but wonder how easily we could have tooled up for mass production of affordable PAPRs to distribute for times when remote work isn't very effective, like teaching children.

Powered Air Purifying Respirators

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/p...

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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My mother is an elementary school teacher, and I don't want her to go back to school this year. The federal government is worse than useless, and the state government is feckless and unwilling to make the tough calls to protect people's lives. She's been a teacher for ~15 years and still makes less than $30k a year teaching. She loves helping the kids, but her life isn't worth it.

My parents are both nurses and they went to work and they were fine.

Are you kidding? There are hundreds of nurses and doctors who have gotten sick and that's when wearing full PPE. Do you think teachers and kids are going to be wearing PPE in class?? This is a troll comment.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Strong statement: dumb kids are better than dead kids.

Deaths in children are essentially 0

even if it's zero they will bring it home to parents/grandparents where it's much greater than 0.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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This is exactly why all the people that said "choosing to protect life is also choosing to protect the economy" were right. It sucks, but people with savings can choose to quit over having to risk their lives. So if there is an appreciable risk (and associated hazard, which, for many of our older educators there is) then that is what is going to happen and you still get the disruptions to the economy.

Why are nurses and grocery workers working then? How are they less at risk than teachers?
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