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Fujitsu announces permanent work-from-home plan

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Thats really good. I wonder how UK companies will respond.

They largely won't unless forced to. Management in the UK by and large sucks.

I wouldn't count on it. The aversion to WFH always seemed to be the risk, but now they've already been forced into it and mostly handled it quite well, the unknown isn't unknown any more.

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Can Japanese residents comment on how this works WRT office space in the home? Do people typically have space in their homes to have a proper home office setup? My wife and I are both WFH right now, and we had to buy a second desk and chair and repurpose what was previously our 2nd bedroom. The 3rd bedroom has always been a home office. If we lived in a downtown apartment, I'm not sure what we'd do, as we're both in…

I mean FWIW I’m American and your explanation sounds very foreign to me. I’m a millennial though, so owning a house at all is quite obstacle. Scrounging up a down payment when even a 2 bedroom apartment is $1-$1.5 million is not the easiest task. Renting an extra 2 bedrooms to have lying around in case we suddenly need 2 offices would also cost an extra couple thousand dollars a month. My wife and I are both working…

You can take 600k 30 minutes out of seattle and love your 2800sqft modern home (approx/just now starting to look for myself)

Update: (Not modern but im a fan anyway. https://www.redfin.com/WA/Bothell/15601-Cascadian-Way-98012/...

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Can Japanese residents comment on how this works WRT office space in the home? Do people typically have space in their homes to have a proper home office setup? My wife and I are both WFH right now, and we had to buy a second desk and chair and repurpose what was previously our 2nd bedroom. The 3rd bedroom has always been a home office. If we lived in a downtown apartment, I'm not sure what we'd do, as we're both in…

I mean FWIW I’m American and your explanation sounds very foreign to me. I’m a millennial though, so owning a house at all is quite obstacle. Scrounging up a down payment when even a 2 bedroom apartment is $1-$1.5 million is not the easiest task. Renting an extra 2 bedrooms to have lying around in case we suddenly need 2 offices would also cost an extra couple thousand dollars a month. My wife and I are both working…

I get it. That's part of the reason we live AND work in the 'burbs (out near IAD, instead of inside 495). We were very purposeful about where we bought - balance of cost, location, etc. It's doable in most regions (SF/SV and NYC being notable exceptions).

And it's why I asked. At least my mental picture of Japan has most people living in very small (by American standards) apartments. That might not be accurate, based on other comments - with many people commuting 2+ hours each direction (which seems completely bonkers to me). Either way, the average size of a home in Japan is smaller than the US (though I have no idea how it compares to Europe).

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Can Japanese residents comment on how this works WRT office space in the home? Do people typically have space in their homes to have a proper home office setup? My wife and I are both WFH right now, and we had to buy a second desk and chair and repurpose what was previously our 2nd bedroom. The 3rd bedroom has always been a home office. If we lived in a downtown apartment, I'm not sure what we'd do, as we're both in…

Even in the US with larger houses (outside cities anyway), few people have an entire room to dedicate to a home office, much less two. We repurpose attics, garages, large closets, guest rooms, etc. If a couple wants two dedicated permanent office rooms, it doesn't make sense to stay in an urban center. It might make sense to rent external office space (perhaps to share with others), or stay cramped and consider it part of the tradeoff of not having to commute.

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Can Japanese residents comment on how this works WRT office space in the home? Do people typically have space in their homes to have a proper home office setup? My wife and I are both WFH right now, and we had to buy a second desk and chair and repurpose what was previously our 2nd bedroom. The 3rd bedroom has always been a home office. If we lived in a downtown apartment, I'm not sure what we'd do, as we're both in…

I'm intensely curious about how this will affect larger cities like Tokyo if the trend stays. Isn't / wasn't the real estate prices in Tokyo super important for the Japanese economy? If workers could suddenly move out to the burbs how would that affect places like Tokyo?

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Any Japanese care to chime in on how WFH is accepted culturally? When I worked for a Japanese tech company I was surprised by how old school they were. Landlines, business cards, reams of paper, week long meetings about policies, and this was a software company. WFH was forbidden unless it was an emergency.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> WeWork is probably 100% done WeWork specifically was failing anyway, but it strikes me that in a world where permanent workplaces are deemphasized and workers are inherently more mobile, the market for a broker of temporary spaces is probably larger, not smaller.

For at least some who want to live in a city and are WFH full-time, it will make more sense to rent a co-working space than to move to a bigger apartment with a dedicated office.

And I think there's a currently underserved niche of single/DINK people who would enjoy the freedom of remote work but don't want to spend the working day socially isolated.

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Even software service companies have started to go full remote. WFH is the future.

"Even"? softare dev is one of the easiests things to do remotely

"Even" because the comment is about software service companies (as opposed to software product ones).

In service companies keeping or accounting time (so that clients can be billed) is a thing.

When working from home, keeping account of time spent may be a challenge. As long as one is in office, even though they may not be clacking away on a keyboard (but goofing away) they can be billed without any guilt and if the service company is really questioned or audited, they can show employee swipe in and out time.

For WFH employees one cannot, also just tracking login maynot cover full story (Ex. tele calls would not be accounted for).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They largely won't unless forced to. Management in the UK by and large sucks.

I wouldn't count on it. The aversion to WFH always seemed to be the risk, but now they've already been forced into it and mostly handled it quite well, the unknown isn't unknown any more.

> The aversion to WFH always seemed to be the risk

I always thought it was the loss of perceived control

A little bit idiotic, if you ask me, as people can and do little in the office too if they are so inclined but there you go

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In the same spot. Home ownership is so out of reach for the vast majority of the people my age. Even with good salaries and savings! Most people my age who have purchased a home got significant help from their parents.

It's really not out of reach unless you insist on living in a major metropolis. A young couple earning under $100k combined can afford a comfortable 3-bedroom home in all 50 states, just not in a large city. Mortgage rates are near all-time lows and the 20% "required downpayment" has been a myth since before you were born. You don't even need great credit to buy a home with a mortgage under $1500/mo all-in with taxes…

After all this, for many people I suspect that living in the core area of an "elite" city is going to become a luxury lifestyle decision rather than at least a perceived cost that is part and parcel of desirable jobs. Some will still choose to do so, but it will be the same sort of expensive optional choice that living in a trendy beach or mountain town will be.
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