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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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This is not directly related, but I saw the policy: "videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status"

I'm curious if anyone know the root of "veteran" on this list? I am just not familiar with that kind of -ism (veteran-ism?).

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I have an easy answer to that: Youtube has more users than there are people in US. If you had a service that was used by whole of US, shouldn't that be public? Imagine there was a single food stall in the entire US. Should you allow food stall which is really controlled by a few share holders and executives at the top to decide whom to feed or not? Again, the problem is not huge platforms banning toxic people. It's t…

> It's that only a minority has a final say on who gets censored.

Not passing judgement either way, just asking: are there any circumstances or platforms in which this ISN'T true?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Molyneux, precisely, does not advocate specifically for a white ethnostate where Spencer does. However, Molyneux doesn't oppose one on principle, which for most is too close for comfort so he gets branded as one. I understand for many that is evidence of guilt but logically speaking that's not the same thing.

That's missing the forest for the trees... advocating for a "white ethnostate" is not the only thing that makes you a white supremacist and that's the real crux of the comparison. Making the distinction doesn't change the fact that he is rightfully lumped in with them on the basis of being a white supremacist . There is more nuance to Molyneux than David Duke, but he's made his views on the subject pretty clear.

The comment tree was about "white nationalism", which is definitely commonly understood to mean "wants a white ethnostate".

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Keep in mind that YT had been funneling viewers towards extreme, bizarre, fringe videos for a long time - including quite a bit of hateful content. This is something of their own doing.

YouTube radicalization is a myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4hq5uVsb5k

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is incomplete. I don't dispute that he said those things but what do you claim is the similarity to Spencer or Duke?

Yeah, they're both very racist, to the level of supposing that that white society is inherently superior. The first quote implies a the existence of a conspiracy to lower white birthrates. The second states clearly that Iraqi people would not be capable of forming a just society due to "low IQ". These are definitionally white supremacist talking points. EDIT: spelling

Are they true or false though?

> The second states clearly that Iraqi people would not be capable of forming a just society due to "low IQ"

Most people who've investigated IQ between different populations find east asians to have the highest IQs, which would contravene the concept of white supremacy entirely.

Maybe the science is bad - there's certainly some historical basis to that. On the other hands it seems strange that differences between populations somehow don't extend to the brain. But if it's true, then that reality is not good nor bad. It just /is/.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

This appears to be coordinated election interference from tech monopolists.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative

Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Molyneux, precisely, does not advocate specifically for a white ethnostate where Spencer does. However, Molyneux doesn't oppose one on principle, which for most is too close for comfort so he gets branded as one. I understand for many that is evidence of guilt but logically speaking that's not the same thing.

I listened to some of Molyneux podcasts awhile back. He seemed very gray area, borderline white nationalist, almost consciously ambiguous with just enough plausible deniability. It was a little too close for comfort and I took him off my list.

That said, I don’t think it’s fair to lump him in with folks like Spencer and Duke. I don’t agree with Moleyneux’s viewpoints but think he articulates them well enough that he should be refuted, not scrubbed from existence.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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post #61

This is not directly related, but I saw the policy: "videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status" I'm curious if anyone know the root of "veteran" on this list? I am just not familiar with that kind of -ism (veteran-ism?).

You can't discriminate against someone for having served in the military in the US. Someone who served in the military is a veteran.

Also, the phrasing of their policy is strange. Apparently you can argue all you want that racial group X is inferior all you want, but if you don't try to exclude them from something, that is okay.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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post #61

This is not directly related, but I saw the policy: "videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status" I'm curious if anyone know the root of "veteran" on this list? I am just not familiar with that kind of -ism (veteran-ism?).

I think veterans are considered a suspect class & there exists legislation protecting against discrimination.
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