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Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#61
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"other - stuff that probably needs to be flagged unless enough people like the topic" Except that things in the "other" category are not off topic, and shouldn't be flagged even if only a few people upvote them. Per the guidelines, what's on topic is: "Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything t…

Well, yeah, the exact tags would have to be chosen by pg or something. Main reason for fixing them is so that we don't end up with tablet,iPad,ipad2 as separate tags

I understand your concern, but I am not sure that having separate tags for tablet, iPad, and ipad2 would necessarily be a problem.

Someone might be interested in tablets in general, but wouldn't want to see stories on the ipad.

On the other hand, ipad2 is clearly a subcategory of ipad. And someone who is interested in the ipad will probably be interested in stories about the ipad2, even though he may not have explicitly looked for ipad2 tags but only for ipad tags.

Since "ipad" is actually a substring of "ipad2", this could be easily solved with a simple substring search in the tag.

A more problematic example is someone missing a story tagged "java" but not "programming" when searching for stories tagged "programming".

The solution to this problem is to have a tag hierarchy. Thus, the "java" tag would be explicitly made a subtag of the "programming" tag. Unfortunately, the problem with this solution is that it's not easily automatable (though I'm sure there's been a lot of research done in this area), so the hierarchy would probably have to be built by hand. And this, in turn, means that it probably won't be done for a lot of tags.

Perhaps a good compromise would be to require each story to be tagged with at least one predefined tag (from a wide selection of predefined tags that are already organized in to a tag hierarchy), and allow an arbitrary number of user-defined tags.

That way there'll be at least some minimal organization to the submitted stories.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#62
There are so many requests for enhancements to Hacker News, I'd like to see them all consolidated into a "Hacker News Users Group Conference", just like commercial software vendors do, but with a few differences:

Commercial Software Vendor User Group Conference:

  - in Las Vegas or New Orleans
  - Monday thru Wednesday
  - vendor presents infomercials disguised as "flights"
  - users decide list of enhancements needed to package
  - vendor says yes and puts them on enhancement schedule
  - enhancements never get done anyway
  - everyone gets drunk and gambles or plays golf
  
Hacker News User Group Conference:

  - in Mountain View
  - on a Saturday
  - users get to meet and associate faces with names
  - users network and share what they're working on
  - users present list of hn enhancements to pg
  - pg says no there isn't time
  - users get to see Trevor's latest robot
  - everyone gets drunk and discusses their favorite algorithm

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#64
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"other - stuff that probably needs to be flagged unless enough people like the topic" Except that things in the "other" category are not off topic, and shouldn't be flagged even if only a few people upvote them. Per the guidelines, what's on topic is: "Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything t…

Well, yeah, the exact tags would have to be chosen by pg or something. Main reason for fixing them is so that we don't end up with tablet,iPad,ipad2 as separate tags

An exploding mess of tags can be mitigated in practice by: (1) normalizing tag capitalization, (2) auto completing/suggesting as you type, (3) providing a dynamic list of tag suggestions for tags that are likely to occur together, (4) suggesting tags based on post content.

In your example what you really don't want is for people to create distinct tags for ipad, ipad2, iOs, etc on accident. Making it easy for people to select from relevant existing tags means people will only add an ipad2 tag over using an existing ipad tag if that distinction is important and particularly relevant for their post.

Done right tags can be super useful without creating a mess or being overly difficult to implement. StackOverflow does a nice job on this front.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#67

Might work as long as tags are not user defined. The submitting user has to select from existing tags. Keep a few to begin with. For example: startups - news about or related to startups - IOW what this site was supposed to be about initially gadgets products - new products from existing non-startups hacking - related to programming business advice other - stuff that probably needs to be flagged unless enough people…

Or make tag creation a karma threshold.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#68
post #62

There are so many requests for enhancements to Hacker News, I'd like to see them all consolidated into a "Hacker News Users Group Conference", just like commercial software vendors do, but with a few differences: Commercial Software Vendor User Group Conference: - in Las Vegas or New Orleans - Monday thru Wednesday - vendor presents infomercials disguised as "flights" - users decide list of enhancements needed to pac…

I think that's half the purpose served by Startup School ;)

HN users are more likely to meet up given an excuse.

Conferences are normally centered around a series of core speakers- That's what Startup School is all about. The only problem is that it's dramatically limited in attendance.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#69
post #15

Is there really a downside? Could make a button that allows you to turn off seeing tags at all. Unless there was some kind of a you can have one thing but nothing else I don't see any downside to it.

But you can't turn off comments arguing over whether an article was tagged properly or not :) I can envision a lot arguments like that taking over the discussion.

Collapsible trees could be added at the same time.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

#70
post #67

Might work as long as tags are not user defined. The submitting user has to select from existing tags. Keep a few to begin with. For example: startups - news about or related to startups - IOW what this site was supposed to be about initially gadgets products - new products from existing non-startups hacking - related to programming business advice other - stuff that probably needs to be flagged unless enough people…

Or make tag creation a karma threshold.

13000 should do it ;-)
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