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Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Idk,I actually don't understand the obsession of many with Tech Stack or predicting the doom of a language. Because Facebook uses PHP for their service, Would you still use PHP? A lot of people despise PHP. But there's PH maker Mubs, most of his indie products LAMP stack. The main lesson I get from any of these is that pick the one that you're comfortable with and deliver the project than looking for what's the best…

Using just your bare hands to build a startup is cool.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#63

What I think is even more significant than Hey’s backend stack is its _frontend_ stack. There’s no complex JavaScript framework; it’s all server side rendered HTML with a few touches of lightweight JS (mostly Turbolinks and StimulusJS, afaik) on the client to add basic interactivity. And it feels just as fast—if not faster—than any other modern, well-built web app. It goes to show that libraries like React and Vue ar…

> It goes to show that libraries like React, Vue, and Angular are _not_ necessary to build smooth, modern, and fully-featured web interfaces.

I understand what you're saying but want to clarify: Angular is a full blown opinionated framework.

And from my experience in the enterprise which library or framework to use are decided by how productive the dev team can be. Not sure newbs would hit the ground running with the HEY stack.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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post #4

Idk,I actually don't understand the obsession of many with Tech Stack or predicting the doom of a language. Because Facebook uses PHP for their service, Would you still use PHP? A lot of people despise PHP. But there's PH maker Mubs, most of his indie products LAMP stack. The main lesson I get from any of these is that pick the one that you're comfortable with and deliver the project than looking for what's the best…

Yeah, tech stacks are important, but which one is right is so dependent on the specifics of a given project, which is what most of these tech-stack-hype conversations ignore. My small company pays out the ears in so many different ways to run our Python service, but we picked it because certain big companies can use Python at much larger scale than ours. Of course, those companies are mostly just doing CRUD operation…

C# can greatly improve developer productivity.

Just don't do things the way Microsoft says to. ^_^

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Noteworthy how they tout the success of their "magic" frontend stack made with vanilla JS, lack of a trendy framework, etc. But if you use the app, the UX is fairly laggy, requires frequent refreshes, all the animations and interactions are off - the list goes on and on. It's noticeably subpar (and I like Hey).

Seems to me that the proof is in the pudding wrt their stack, but it's probably not what they wanted to prove. I would take a well tuned React SPA over this any day of the week.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

#66
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Good retro old-fashion ruby stack from d̶i̶n̶o̶s̶a̶u̶r̶s veterans. Nice :) No fancy magic. Went to check some of their stack on github and some component describe IE5 hacks. Kind of awkward to see how they trying to create a PR driven fight with Apple for obvious reason. "From creators of basecamp" sounds like anti-motivation to use product. They were first infomarketing company. Eventually they lost all the competit…

> No fancy magic As an aside, I wish we could avoid undescriptive ad hominems like "magic" and "hacks" when talking about technology. There's pros and cons to any technology choice, but "magic" isn't one of them.

That is not what "ad hominem" means

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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What I think is even more significant than Hey’s backend stack is its _frontend_ stack. There’s no complex JavaScript framework; it’s all server side rendered HTML with a few touches of lightweight JS (mostly Turbolinks and StimulusJS, afaik) on the client to add basic interactivity. And it feels just as fast—if not faster—than any other modern, well-built web app. It goes to show that libraries like React and Vue ar…

Are the apps then just web view with a wrapper? Or its using react-native for apps?

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Why is it called Hey stack? Why does the "Hey stack" persist to the obsolete Mysql dB engine and not PostgreSQL (opinionated dovnvote fodder, I know, but hey; bring it on! They are valid questions).

The app is called "Hey". It's not the HEY Stack in the same sense as the MEAN stack or the LAMP stack. It's the stack for the app called HEY.

They are probably using it as dumb key value storage in a way, and probably found it easier to shard + existing experience.

I'm not sure PostgreSQL sharding ist there yet

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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post #35

Good retro old-fashion ruby stack from d̶i̶n̶o̶s̶a̶u̶r̶s veterans. Nice :) No fancy magic. Went to check some of their stack on github and some component describe IE5 hacks. Kind of awkward to see how they trying to create a PR driven fight with Apple for obvious reason. "From creators of basecamp" sounds like anti-motivation to use product. They were first infomarketing company. Eventually they lost all the competit…

Basecamp is a very popular product, and they make a lot of money on it. I am not sure what the particular issue is. What point are you attempting to make? Also, having worked with a lot of startups, they are living the actual dream. They have a product that makes them lots of money. They get to explore business areas and avenues what interest them. What exactly would be the point of IPOing? Have you ever IPOed a comp…

My point is that when you see a path of any company that compete with them. You compare it with a books they wrote. The only feeling you can have is a strong disappointment. As a product they stuck in time and dont innovate. They market share clearly tells that. It's not correlate with focus on product.

Re: DHH: The HEY stack Vanilla Ruby on Rails, MySQL, redis, stimulus, elastic search

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, he lashes out against FAANG quite often.

He lashes out anyone that deserves it, I don't think that means he'd never order a package on Amazon or watch a movie on Netflix.

Why doesn't Amazon deserve it?
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