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Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by bobsil1 »

gm3dmo wrote: post #60
asciimo wrote: post #6

I remember when MessageBird was giving away free tacos across the street from Twilio's Signal conference. Left me feeling that their brand is tacky and desperate. On the other hand, I learned that there was an alternative to Twilio. And got free tacos.

https://blogs.dcvelocity.com/dispatches/2018/09/oracle-troll... Oracle have been doing the trick of having all the taxis outside a competitor event decked out in the Oracle logo. They used to do it to Sybase in London in the 90s. You know of the competitor and it stuck in your mind enough to remember because who doesn't love tacos. Larry may be wasting all that money on taxis when all he needs is a taco truck.

*a taco truck on every corner

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by spotijk »

rsync wrote: post #23
redis_mlc wrote: post #20

Plivo is another Twilio competitor for voice and sms. Been using it for a while for mostly US sms, works fine: https://www.plivo.com/

Which, if any, of these Twilio competitors will allow me to CC: a SMS to an email address without involving third party providers ? I have begged Twilio engineers in person at multiple Signal and over email/support channels as well as the CEO and here in this very forum: For the Love Of God will you please add an 'email' twiml verb ? If you want to CC: a SMS to email currently, within Twilio, you need to build functi…

You can do SMS to E-mail using Twilio if you don't mind applying some 3rd party software to do it.

Have a look at the SMS Server. This product is able to forward SMS to e-mail and visa versa. Works with almost any SMS and e-mail provider including Twilio.

Here's a link to the website: https://www.auronsoftware.com/products/sms-server/

Disclaimer: Auron Software is my company and I'm the main developer.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by blueblisters »

perennate wrote: post #40

Would consider using them but Taiwan is not a province of China ( https://messagebird.com/en/numbers/ ). If a company has has many factual errors on their website like this, then I cannot trust their service to be reliable.

It's a shitty thing companies are forced to do if they want to sell to Chinese customers and/or operate in China. I see they have listed Huawei as a customer so that probably explains it.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by vincvinc »

perennate wrote: post #40

Would consider using them but Taiwan is not a province of China ( https://messagebird.com/en/numbers/ ). If a company has has many factual errors on their website like this, then I cannot trust their service to be reliable.

At first I was rolling my eyes at your comment, but then I realized that I believe there generally should be more pushback from consumers in open societies against these kind of lies that companies are forced to repeat.

Let's make it more expensive for companies to give dictators what they want.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by objektif »

ihumanable wrote: post #31
objektif wrote: post #21

There are many Twilio competitors and there have been for a while now. However, Twilio has been really resilient in terms of keeping their high growth year over year. What is the reason for that?

As a former Twilio engineer, whose opinion in no way represents the company's, I know that a large part of my job was reliability. Reliability in the telecom space is a difficult problem, it's a large ecosystem of providers, aggregators, regulators, and lots and lots of hidden complexity. Then there's actually running the service, keeping the REST API up 24/7/365, making sure the TwiML processors are processing, keep…

Thank you very much this was very insightful.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by vasilakisfil »

I am surprised that for smaller countries there is such big difference between Twilio and MessageBird. For instance, for Albania, in Twilio, the per-number price is $1.0, and inbound sms are not even supported. On the other hand for MessageBird the per-number price is $32/month (!) while inbound sms are free. Feels like MessageBird has more "real" numbers.

Edit: For which ever country I choose from, they always have sms inbound Free. Feels like a marketing/sales trick ? I can't believe that MessageBird has managed to implement inbound SMS for all those countries, while Twilio hasn't.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by perennate »

perennate wrote: post #40

Would consider using them but Taiwan is not a province of China ( https://messagebird.com/en/numbers/ ). If a company has has many factual errors on their website like this, then I cannot trust their service to be reliable.

They have since updated this! I will give them a serious consideration since I could really use a good Twilio alternative.

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by robertvis »

asciimo wrote: post #6

I remember when MessageBird was giving away free tacos across the street from Twilio's Signal conference. Left me feeling that their brand is tacky and desperate. On the other hand, I learned that there was an alternative to Twilio. And got free tacos.

Lol we never did that ;-) As in the Taco thing at Signal. Good idea though

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by robertvis »

haik90 wrote: post #55
icedchai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SignalWire is also a Twilio competitor. Their SMS pricing is much, much cheaper and they have cloned the Twilio APIs. I am not affiliated with them, other than as a customer of both Twilio and SignalWire at different times (small dev accounts.) https://signalwire.com/pricing/messaging

I'm interested on their pricing, sadly they only available in US/CANADA. Our main user mostly on Asia

Hi - fwiw our main focus is outside the US - our biggest teams are in apac. Email me we’ll help you out. robert@

Re: Twilio’s Dutch rival MessageBird plans an IPO

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Post by robertvis »

caseysoftware wrote: post #32
tyre wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not desperation, that's literally sales. Twilio and MessageBird have the same customer. Someone who is using Twilio could reasonably convert faster than someone who doesn't use any api-based telephony integration. You skip the step of convincing internal teams that you should do this in the first place. At ZenPayroll we didn't just ignore people on ADP, Paychex, Intuit, etc. That would be nuts! If you're tryin…

A few good points but the market stage was wildly different. In payroll processing, there are a handful of major entrenched providers. Going (almost) directly at them is the only approach. Yes, you have to differentiate yourself but odds are there's a rip & replace coming. In 2012, outside of SMS aggregators, sending and receiving text messages was still novel. Add in automated calling and there were some options wit…

Mostly a US issue. Api’s on messaging have been in europe and asia since 2002. The main value prop is easy api’s and global connectivity for our SMS API’s as more and more businesses go global. Also we didnt start any price war. Our pricing is a bit cheaper than Twilio 0.0075 T vs 0.005 MB. That said - welcome any messaging users to email me and we can talk about the price war :-)
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