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Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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So, I thought chrome was a loss making project, and the only reason it exists is because Google fund it for the data it generated and as part of their wider "use our stuff in exchange for your data" business model. So if you break up Google, chrome would have to cut its budget or stop existing. And either way, chrome extension Devs wouldn't be better supported than they are now would they? This is always my question…

A hypothetical Chrome Inc. (or Chrome Foundation) could make its money off of selling rights to the search bar (hypothetically to Google anyway), and, I suppose, donations. Enterprise support would be another thing they'd have to provide (and could sell), especially if they got the Chrome OS project. It'd be a speed bump, and they wouldn't have the full resources of Google, but I think it could make it. (But I don't…

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Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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What people seem to be missing is that this isn't a complaint -- it's a call to form effectively a union: Therefore, we are starting a group today for Chrome Extension developers to work together in check with CWS. It's not a technical support channel, nor a platform to get attention when CWS is unresponsive. It's a place for Chrome Extension developers to rally together and discuss improving the foundation we stand…

Just make Chromium fork that supports 3rd party galleries, prove it is secure and desirable, than it may be upstreamed some day.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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A hypothetical Chrome Inc. (or Chrome Foundation) could make its money off of selling rights to the search bar (hypothetically to Google anyway), and, I suppose, donations. Enterprise support would be another thing they'd have to provide (and could sell), especially if they got the Chrome OS project. It'd be a speed bump, and they wouldn't have the full resources of Google, but I think it could make it. (But I don't…

And bear in mind: The amount they make this way could adjust, Google would have to be prepared to outbid Bing for default search placement. Bearing in mind, that whoever is the default search engine on Chrome controls the Internet, there's a lot of money at stake.

That's fine, but to out bid bing, you only have to outbid bing. Microsoft have been forced to divest under this new antitrust regime. A maybe yahoo or askjeeves will come to the rescue?

And remember, to improve chrome extension support, you need chrome to get more money from the new sponsor than they got from the Google, one of the richest companies on earth...

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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There are about 200000 chrome extensions, if 200 defected that is not a lot. It should be some minor things. Interestingly it is hard to make educated choice - does it contain opt-out spyware? what is the license? how much JS code it contains and why? is code readable or minified?

Compare with

https://www.openhub.net/p/chrome

https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/categories

https://rubygems.org/gems/rails

https://www.npmjs.com/package/jquery

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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post #12

What people seem to be missing is that this isn't a complaint -- it's a call to form effectively a union: Therefore, we are starting a group today for Chrome Extension developers to work together in check with CWS. It's not a technical support channel, nor a platform to get attention when CWS is unresponsive. It's a place for Chrome Extension developers to rally together and discuss improving the foundation we stand…

"United, we can have a stronger, common voice to: ... Pressure Google Chrome to allow for 3rd party extension stores."

And so the mice voted to bell the cat.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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It's not stupid, though. Remember how when an older relative would complain about their computer slowing down, and you had to uninstall like 15 toolbars from their Internet Explorer? Protecting users from malware and spyware is a huge step forward. Most users can't protect themselves from it. Controlled distribution is a net good for society. The question is, how do we minimize the negatives it also brings along with…

That was vastly preferable to the current status quo where your older relative doesn't even complain about their computer slowing down, because they've been trained by 20 years of planned obsolescence and unupgradable hardware to just buy a new one when given the slightest hint of a problem.

The two have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

The conversation is about app stores not hardware upgrades.

Progress in one has nothing to do with progress in the other.

Why are you trying to combine them?

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Ironically, after complaining that Chrome Web Store killed their extension without saying why, the author doesn’t answer why either beyond “it was a mistake.” Pray tell: mistakenly hitting “deny,” mistakenly interpreting rules in an unfavorable way, someone marked the submission as “in their queue by accident and then forgot about it? I get that it was a mistake but it makes a difference whether it was a mistake of c…

You can easily see for yourself on the twitter thread that is linked in the article. There's also this tweet for context: https://twitter.com/DotProto/status/1273824813270700038?s=20

They thought we weren't using the TTS permission, but we are.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Note that Chrome Extension developers are not employees of Google, but rather disparate businesses, so it'll be difficult to both successfully put pressure on Google w.r.t. terms of business and not fall afoul of anti-trust laws.

Is this true? How would this be different than the Author's Guild negotiating ebook rates with libraries/Amazon? It seems like lots of industries have lobbying groups that represent multiple companies -- or is there an extra nuance here I'm missing?

The current system benefits large companies and detriments small developers, so I think it would probably just open the door for large companies to take over all the popular extension types.

If uBlock Origin stopped supporting Chrome, AdBlock would fill that void. If Honey has problems, an executive from Ebay calls an executive from Google and it's fixed instantly, so there's no incentive for them to participate. In fact, anyone making a decent amount of money isn't going to want to change the system.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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> Complaining on the internet should not be a support channel. Developers should not have to rely on the internet attention lottery. None of the huge tech companies (Google/Apple/MS/Amazon/etc) have an easy (or in many cases any ) way to contact human service representatives. This is intentional. People have been complaining about this for more than a decade. Every week there are multiple writeups on the front page o…

I fully agree with that. But I think there is another angle to this that is often ignored/overlooked. With their (intentional) behavior you described, these companies often violate even basic legal principles and sometimes even specific laws (depending on country/jurisdiction). Moreover, these same companies (again, intentionally) also use their financial/legal weight to pretty much stifle/kill any individual attempt…

Could you explain, maybe with a few examples, how they are doing illegal things with this behavior?

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a store run by Apple or Google (or presumably anyone else): the stories are all the same. Presumably because to make the economics work, review and approval are done by poorly trained contractors who don't have time to do a proper job and need to meet quotas. And with anything security related, there's an inherent bias toward not giving information on the exact violations beca…

I think an open system with easy to add 3rd party stores would be better. The official stores could focus on super high trust applications from huge brands and let the market find a solution to the bottom end. However, the current system is about maintaining outsized control rather than providing a good product to consumers.

As soon as you give up the idea of preventing people from distributing malicious software, and they're not even doing a good job of it right now, you can let competition in a curation market solve the problem for you. I'd way rather have a system where I can get recommendations from someone that's an expert in an area. Ex: Like JonnyGURU is for power supply recommendations, but for software / extensions.

If you extend that concept to the mobile app stores, a system where someone from my city could run a store for local businesses would be significantly better for users and developers than what we have now. For developers it would be amazing to go to a local business, show some local ID, and get a signing certificate. For users it would be amazing to have a local store where established businesses with ties to the community all have a vested interest in it's quality / trustworthiness. That would be at the lowest end for tiny apps. For anything bigger, someone could build a brand / reputation around curation. For example, think of something like a specialized password manager extension store.

When it comes to Google I think there are two problems that prevent them from building a better system. First, they're arrogant and think users are too stupid to control their own devices. Second, their search has devolved to be an atrocious garbage pit of paid content that's optimized for SEO. It's a cyclic dependency where Google's failure makes it difficult for users to make good choices. Google interprets that as the users being dumb and makes the system even more complicated / less effective by adding more ML and automation.

That also probably plays a role in the reluctance to open up some of the current systems. The attempts at scaling with automation and ML are such failures (everywhere) the only way to make them look half reasonable is to ensure no one else can build a competing system.

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