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I would love to see new MacBook pros with the latest AMD Ryzen, speedy and power efficient, processors. I can understand the move to ARM, since iPhones and iPads are already there and it make sense to unite the ecosystem. Fun fact: Kalamata is the second largest city in southern Greece. I tried finding why they named the Apple project like this, but couldn’t find anything relevant. Any ideas?
I would love to see new MacBook pros with the latest AMD Ryzen, speedy and power efficient, processors. I can understand the move to ARM, since iPhones and iPads are already there and it make sense to unite the ecosystem. Fun fact: Kalamata is the second largest city in southern Greece. I tried finding why they named the Apple project like this, but couldn’t find anything relevant. Any ideas?
(Kalamata is a kind of olive, a small tougher and pithier version of its blander behemoth brethren.)
I envision there being a lot of ARM support issues across apps that I rely on. We finally got over the keyboard drama, I don't have confidence this will go well either.
You say it like it's a bad thing. I can't wait to have more competition as far as instruction sets go. Of course things will break but it'll give us a reason to make our apps and toolchains ARM-compatible beyond Raspberry Pis and small devices.
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> I imagine they'll have to provide some sort of x86/amd64 compat layer Just like they did with the mk86->ppc transition, just like they did with the ppc->x86 transition. > I hope they don't also continue to lock down macos Let's not confuse moving Macs to ARM processors with turning Macs into iOS devices. Apple has always treated the OS families differently and will continue to do so because they know more than anyb…
> will continue to do so because they know more than anybody that they meet different needs Will they, though? Because Catalina seems like a giant step in the wrong direction if you’re thinking they’re acknowledging the developer - or even power user - need. Seems to me they’ve doubled down on the iOS approach to macOS.
I don't necessarily see it as trying to create a single OS for both desktop and mobile.
Interesting. I imagine they'll have to provide some sort of x86/amd64 compat layer as otherwise this kills every application available for macos right now. I hope they don't also continue to lock down macos (though I imagine they intend to) by restricting applications to only being available from the app store. That would set a terrible precedent for personal computing.
As a developer there is a nuisance of one more damn thing to test, but compared to the nuisance iOS developers go through to make sure it looks nice on all the different sized devices, testing on an ARM before release isn't bad.
Having developed through the 68k-to-PPC and the PPC-to-x86 and the x86-to-amd64 days I think I can safely say I never had a problem with any code in a transition¹². There are developers that will, if you have written optimized vector code or some such and you care to also be highly performant on the ARM you will be spending resources to make sure you map onto whatever the hardware provides, but you've been doing that for the various Intel instruction set changes anyway.
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¹ I'm not saying architecture doesn't matter, doing early ARM porting for Debian I can tell you having C "char" be unsigned was a huge pain in the codebase. But Apple has control top to bottom and has every incentive to make it easy for developers, if only for themselves.
²At least not any problems bad enough to leave a mark on my memory. I'm sure I had to learn about intptr_t sometime after it was invented and probably learned a lesson about size_t at some point.
I would love to see new MacBook pros with the latest AMD Ryzen, speedy and power efficient, processors. I can understand the move to ARM, since iPhones and iPads are already there and it make sense to unite the ecosystem. Fun fact: Kalamata is the second largest city in southern Greece. I tried finding why they named the Apple project like this, but couldn’t find anything relevant. Any ideas?
what does this mean for running docker containers on macos?
I would love to see new MacBook pros with the latest AMD Ryzen, speedy and power efficient, processors. I can understand the move to ARM, since iPhones and iPads are already there and it make sense to unite the ecosystem. Fun fact: Kalamata is the second largest city in southern Greece. I tried finding why they named the Apple project like this, but couldn’t find anything relevant. Any ideas?
Olives are to apples, as arm cores are to intel cores. (Kalamata is a kind of olive, a small tougher and pithier version of its blander behemoth brethren.)
My understanding is when you develop for Mac, you already have to compile to bytecode which means it's already compatible with other architectures.