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Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by baddox »

ALittleLight wrote: post #51
baddox wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Television. Online and paper news. Literally beaming messages directly to the cellphones of every American.

He can and does use television now. Television takes longer to setup and doesn't reach the same people. You can't go on TV to share a one sentence thought but you can easily do that on Twitter. So long as you think there's at least one person who he reaches by social media that he wouldn't reach with traditional media, it seems you are obligated to conclude that banning him from social media would reduce his reach, o…

I’m okay with a nominal reduction in anyone’s reach.

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Post by smegma2 »

ditonal wrote: post #3

Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…

Do teachers wield massive political power?

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Post by baddox »

divbzero wrote: post #37
baddox wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: do you genuinely think he would care if 50% of the SREs went on strike, or even if they quit immediately? I find it hard to believe that he would be significantly distraught.

Maybe if they brought down the servers on their way out…

Even then, how much does he care? How many of his mansions does he stand to lose?

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Post by sargun »

EVdotIO wrote: post #25
renewiltord wrote: post #15

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We're in this situation because of police unions. Fuck any SWE union. It'll be full of xenophobic crackpots.

What? Damn, what's happening here?

No idea about the xenophobia, but RE police unions:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/crime/amp/S...

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Post by edoceo »

0xy wrote: post #42
edoceo wrote: post #4

I support this walkout. As a small business owner all I've been able to do was purge my FB page profiles. I'm proud of them for taking a bigger step than I'm able to make. Working people of all countries unite. Seize the means of production!

This action only harms your business. You lose business, reach and free advertising. Facebook loses nothing.

Maybe. My target market leans towards equitable application of justice and frankly, action from FB not that meaningful.

My efforts are small, I've only removed one microscopic cog from the Great Machine.

I felt my other choice was "status quo". I found it unacceptable to do nothing.

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Post by vore »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #18

Journalists are quoting Trump's statement as newsworthy. Everyone knows what he said. What's the point of censoring it ineffectually?

It's not about censoring or not censoring. It's about Facebook actually giving a shit about the state of the world it's in, and not just Mark Zuckerberg's incessant handwringing about "feeling disgust" but... doing nothing about it.

Too long have abhorrent actions by Donald Trump gone completely unchecked by major platforms and, if Facebook won't even do the token step of doing something about a clearly racist and disgusting message, then they are truly spineless and complicit.

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Post by ergothus »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #58

This is probably the wrong time for Facebook software engineers to try to flex their muscles. Most large firms have put their hiring on hold due to COVID-19. A lot of engineering talent is now on the market looking for jobs due to layoffs by startups and many other companies. Facebook is gearing up for remote work which will expand the talent pool beyond Silicon Valley. The situation on the ground has changed a lot i…

They'll find out how much of the rhetoric the company feeds them is true or not. They'll know for themselves when they deemed it important to draw a line.

As a matter of calculation, the timing isn't ideal. None of them seem to be saying it is a matter of calculated timing to leverage their market value though.

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Post by matharmin »

adrianN wrote: post #57
baskire wrote: post #6

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Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available

A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.

This is like saying a political party leads to what it members want it to lead to, since it's a democratic entity. In practice different members want different things, and it easily ends up as political games with mismatched incentives.

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Post by tomnipotent »

adrianN wrote: post #57
baskire wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available

A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.

It doesn't work that way. Boeing employees don't get to dictate what Boeing as a business does, only how it interacts with and compensates its workers. No union is going to change that.
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