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Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by zwieback »

kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

Dakota also owns many beautiful bowls and whisks handmade from sustainable materials, featured in 20 photos before the recipe hidden behind another link

I hate blogger recipes, luckily there are enough cooking sites that are well curated.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by onion2k »

tmountain wrote: post #6
kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

It's a running joke in our house. I start off wanting to make some mashed potatoes, and time and time again, I have to suffer through someone's life story--the camping trip in North Dakota when Susan's husband first discovered his love of homemade sour cream--etc. Makes me wonder if a super barebones recipe site that literally just has recipes and absolutely no fluff would be something people would gravitate towards.

mashed potatoes

Steam some potatoes. (Don't boil them. No one wants watery mash.)

Add far more butter than anyone would think is reasonable. (Like, 1/2lb of butter to 1lb of potatoes. Maybe more.)

Add salt and pepper. (No, more than that. You've under-seasoned them.)

Mash them until they're the consistency you want. (For really smooth mash use an electric hand mixer instead of a masher.)

To make them better still, put lots of wholegrain mustard or garlic in with the butter.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

SkyBelow wrote: post #46
kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

Does it pose an actual problem? When I search for recipes, I type in the food I want + recipe and then open the top 5 or so links. I quick scan for a list of ingredients. If I don't easily spot on in a few seconds I move on. I'll do this until I have a couple different lists of ingredients for making the item. This ends up taking less than a minute or two. That just isn't a significant portion of time compared to how…

No, no problem here. I need some backstory, heavy on cutesy metadiscourse, before I'm in the proper mood to learn about Tbsp's and oven temperature.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by zerocrates »

sseagull wrote: post #9
kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

My favorite: talking about how this recipe helped you cope with the September 11 attacks (although this intro is shorter than a lot that I have seen). https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1017089-maple-shortbread...

It ran in the paper 8 days after 9/11... seems pretty reasonable to me. In much the same vein as the rush by many to baking now.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by zwieback »

Cool, now the next interesting step would be to categorize recipes, maybe some kind of clustering algorithm, to see how similar they are and whether they have a common ancestor.

When I look at a recipe and notice some unusual proportions I usually check against Joy of Cooking or some other standard book. I've noticed that often everything old is new again.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by interestica »

SkyBelow wrote: post #46
kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

Does it pose an actual problem? When I search for recipes, I type in the food I want + recipe and then open the top 5 or so links. I quick scan for a list of ingredients. If I don't easily spot on in a few seconds I move on. I'll do this until I have a couple different lists of ingredients for making the item. This ends up taking less than a minute or two. That just isn't a significant portion of time compared to how…

You dismiss the challenges of finding a single recipe by mentioning you find several and combine them? That completely defeats the purpose of a recipe. You're literally creating your own recipe at that stage.

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by thorwasdfasdf »

scrollaway wrote: post #43
thawaway1837 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Why doesn’t everyone who is putting information out there for free not cater to exactly my needs”. What an utter load of bollocks. These are people who are creating something that they enjoy doing and giving you information you apparently need for free. I don’t understand why anyone would trash their desire to write something that is personal and/or interesting to them about it. And that’s setting aside that these u…

It's a sweet world view, but the truth is that the majority of these cooking sites are filling in content for SEO and ad purposes, and the "stories" are fictions written by Tom, a 22 year old freelancer who isn't a yoga enthusiast but is just trying to make ends meet at 3¢/word.

And, the real farce is that Google mistakenly sees all that scrolling up and down the page, looking for the recipe as 'engagement' and "Dwell time".

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by interestica »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #35
kmbfjr wrote: post #5

But how will I read about "Dakota", an avid yoga enthusiast who just happens to be a mom, who enjoys making healthy and savory meals for her family while blogging? Seriously, I hope this spells an end to the Google ranking imposed nonsense that makes the simple act of searching for a recipe so insufferable.

My understanding of why there's a life story copy at the top of recipes is that a recipe is not copyrightable, but a story is. And, an AI can generate a story one time relatively easy. https://lizerbramlaw.com/2015/04/07/copyright-protect-recipe...

I've always thought of copyrighted music as "sound recipes"

Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by [deleted] »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #40
tmountain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a running joke in our house. I start off wanting to make some mashed potatoes, and time and time again, I have to suffer through someone's life story--the camping trip in North Dakota when Susan's husband first discovered his love of homemade sour cream--etc. Makes me wonder if a super barebones recipe site that literally just has recipes and absolutely no fluff would be something people would gravitate towards.

“Why doesn’t everyone who is putting information out there for free not cater to exactly my needs”. What an utter load of bollocks. These are people who are creating something that they enjoy doing and giving you information you apparently need for free. I don’t understand why anyone would trash their desire to write something that is personal and/or interesting to them about it. And that’s setting aside that these u…

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Re: Scraping Recipe Websites

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Post by [deleted] »

onion2k wrote: post #62
tmountain wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a running joke in our house. I start off wanting to make some mashed potatoes, and time and time again, I have to suffer through someone's life story--the camping trip in North Dakota when Susan's husband first discovered his love of homemade sour cream--etc. Makes me wonder if a super barebones recipe site that literally just has recipes and absolutely no fluff would be something people would gravitate towards.

mashed potatoes Steam some potatoes. (Don't boil them. No one wants watery mash.) Add far more butter than anyone would think is reasonable. (Like, 1/2lb of butter to 1lb of potatoes. Maybe more.) Add salt and pepper. (No, more than that. You've under-seasoned them.) Mash them until they're the consistency you want. (For really smooth mash use an electric hand mixer instead of a masher.) To make them better still, pu…

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