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San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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A friend considered it after graduation. 3500 a month for a place in rent. Eventually even with tech salaries that doesn’t make sense. He went to Seattle.

Seattle is a great choice. Salaries are similar. The politics aren’t idiotic. No state income tax. Standard of living is just as good.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#62
post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

High housing costs are probably a causal factor in all of the problems you mention. When housing costs are as exorbitant as they are, everyone is much closer to homelessness than they were before. If someone is laid off in the bay, they have significantly less time to find a new job before they cannot afford housing compared to more affordable areas. Once you are actually homeless, mental problems and drug issues can…

Perfect, if we determine that housing is an important cause, then can we:

* Enact consequences for those that do refuse housing when available (ie, banning homeless lifestyle).

* Arrest illegal aliens that are making the lack of housing even worse.

* Stop open-air drug dealing and abuse so that people can get back on their feet.

And if not, why not?

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#63

Per the article, this is based on an analysis of 1,200 searches done on their platform. It seems like a stretch to use those figures to reach conclusions for a city of over 800,000 residents.

But they are making a year-on-year relative analysis, so even for a non-representative sample, you can identify a strong trend.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#64

Per the article, this is based on an analysis of 1,200 searches done on their platform. It seems like a stretch to use those figures to reach conclusions for a city of over 800,000 residents.

Some stats from https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm Plugged in 800,000 as pop size, and 99% as confidence level and 4 as confidence interval. The number it spits out is 1039 It is a pretty good sample size.

This would be true if the website drew a random sample of residents of San Francisco and asked them. They didn't. Rather, they drew a census of their website. No one is doubting that the website has correctly confirmed that 90% of the SF-related searches on their website were people looking to migrate outbound (so the "sampling error" here is effectively 0, unless we choose to model the census as a sample from a meta-population, in which case the classical MOE would be +-1.7% without a finite sample adjustment);

The issue here is whether we can draw a reasonable inference from that sample to the target population (all people in San Francisco). My guess is it does not. The title is not justified by the data presented.

The claims we're able to make are narrow:

A combination of annual secular growth, advertising spend, and COVID that we cannot disentangle suggests 30% increase in move requests to this moving site in the area; Separately, the sample of people using this website are more interested than outbound moves than last year.

If we want to combine these, we have "Website Shows 90% growth in raw outbound move searches among SF visitors"

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#66
post #7

I know this is hacker news nitpicking, but moveBuddha is incredibly disrespectful name for a company to actual buddhists.

If you aren't offending someone you aren't doing it right. Theres always someone somewhere whom will be offended about something.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#67
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cooperating with ICE to send these people back to America where they come from? My, my, San Francisco’s atavistic parochialism is really something but calling ones fellow Americans illegal immigrants. That’s good.

If there is no housing available, then why are illegal immigrants tolerated which would arguably make the problem worse? It makes no sense.

Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#68
post #49

Another reason not mentioned: An increase in Crime in the City, here's just a few https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-is-proposing-r... https://www.ebar.com/news/crime//291784 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/video-man-defecates-...

Linking to a couple of incidents isn't proof of increase in crime. Rate have actually been steadily declining for years.

Yep, just like rapes in Sweden. Change the definition and voila!

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

#70
post #7

I know this is hacker news nitpicking, but moveBuddha is incredibly disrespectful name for a company to actual buddhists.

you're right... it is nitpicking. as the old saying goes, eventually you're going to offend someone.

Well, a billion someones, anyway.
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