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Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

I haven’t stopped thinking about this since the American missionary was killed by the uncontacted Sentinelese people. What if Earth is the uncontacted & protected community of the galaxy?

Once Zefram Cochrane hits warp 1 the Vulcans will reveal themselves

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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> considering we may be less than a century from self sustaining space stations The jump between space stations and interstellar travel is huge. I agree that it's improbable that we're the only planet with life, but being visited by aliens is as, if not more, improbable. Consider the age of the universe, our (humanity, with the ability to apprehend the existence of alien life) existence in it is but a blip. What are…

If they are sending out probes how long do those probes remain active? Can they repair themselves or build more on their own? I assume that is what we would be seeing.

Wouldn't they have been easily observed by now, perhaps even making contact? Unless they are deliberately trying to remain unobserved, in which case being caught on video from an aircraft seems careless.

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I haven’t stopped thinking about this since the American missionary was killed by the uncontacted Sentinelese people. What if Earth is the uncontacted & protected community of the galaxy?

That supposes Earth is special and deserves a particular treatment. It seems likelier that we are too far from interstellar civilisations to be visited by them, or that there's no interstellar civilisations because of a Great Filter, or even simply that earth is not interesting enough for them to visit. Or worse, they do visit, but the human race is not interesting enough for them to make their presence known to it.

Most planets don't have life.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375 This is an amazing explanation. If this is the explanation, why didn't the Pentagon just say so?

We’re in the middle of a national crisis 20x worse than 9/11, and they need something to distract the populace with?

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

Michael Crichton's Sphere has a good section about the "anthropomorphic problem", about how we imagine extraterrestrial life as essentially human. Regardless of how they look, they still act human in our imagination.

Why apply concepts like "rogue", "mission", "rules", or even "individuals"? There's no guarantee such ideas mean anything to these things. For all we know, the UFOs themselves are not actual artificial spacecraft, but "biological" entities. Or autonomous drones.

Or they're not even extraterrestrial, but visitors from the future. Or some sort of interdimensional phenomenon. Or they're some sort of mythological being out of human religion- perhaps Abrahamic entities like the Angels of Mons. Or that they're the manifestation of mankind's collective unconsciousness, a sort of high-level tulpa. Or they're just some kind of weird unknown cosmic particle, a high-altitude form of quantum ball lightning.

Those possibilities are tongue-in-cheek, but my point is that if you're going to start assuming that UFOs are just spacecraft from an unknown alien race... then you start making assumptions upon assumptions and the whole thing just devolves into science fiction tropes. And honestly, those tropes are no more probable than the crazy Fortean explanations I've offered. It's fun to talk about, but why take these thought experiments seriously?

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post #48

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We don't know that he's right, and the Navy has officially verified the videos belong to them just last week -- these aren't a product of the organization that released them. However, the Go Fast video was not the interesting one from a witness testimony standpoint. See the Nimitz incident [0], in which the object was observed by dozens of witnesses from several vantage points, including three fighters (at two differ…

Whether we know anything at all is a matter I'll leave to philosophers. I'm sufficiently confident that he's right about the Go Fast video that I'd bet my left nut on it. The Go Fast video being wrapped up in this matter leads me to conclude that the Navy didn't try very hard to figure out that video, which leaves me with no reason to believe they tried harder with the others.

Or that the Navy is happy with these pedestrian explanations, but realize that the public will claim "weather balloons again, another government cover-up" if they provide such an explanation. So they release them as "unexplained" without further comment.

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That supposes Earth is special and deserves a particular treatment. It seems likelier that we are too far from interstellar civilisations to be visited by them, or that there's no interstellar civilisations because of a Great Filter, or even simply that earth is not interesting enough for them to visit. Or worse, they do visit, but the human race is not interesting enough for them to make their presence known to it.

Most planets don't have life.

True. We haven't confirmed a single other one yet, which is why actually finding one will be probably the most significant discovery humans ever make.

But I would imagine that an interstellar civilization that has discovered thousands of life-bearing planets would start to develop some criteria about what type of life is interesting or not. It could just be that nothing on Earth meets the criteria to be interesting.

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Perhaps these are truly unidentified objects but you can’t ignore the sophistication of the scams associated with UFOs. There are elaborate hoaxes that require a serious amount of work, sometimes allegedly leaking classified information to mix into it. For example, Project Serpo, some conspiracy theory about a secret space mission in the 1960-1970s. Somehow decades later this convinced a well known former CIA employe…

> Perhaps these are truly unidentified objects

If they’re not another nation’s tech, and not ours, my pet theory is the us government has no idea what they are beyond they exist and are spooky.

They cover it up / stigmatize for a banal reason: admitting there’s something they neither understand nor can control is not something governments like to do.

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I find it curious that all unclassified UFO videos are blurry and very hard to decipher

Currently, the human race has several billion cameras readily available to take footage of rare occurrences. Not just mobile phones, but think also of CCTV security cameras, dash cams, etc... The simple logical conclusion is that footage of rare but real events ought to be more readily available. And in fact, that's exactly what's observed! There is now a wide variety of high quality videos to choose from, if what yo…

OTOH some documented phenomenon lack good pics. Ball lightning is not very well photographed for example.

My gut says it’s Chinese or Russian tech but it’s admittedly fun to speculate.

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