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Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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Highly unlikely. The big money sink is already spent (launching the satelites).

The satellites are likely much cheaper than the ongoing costs for content. It looks like they are spending over $2B annually on content fees. They could launch a lot of satellites with $2B per year.

Wow, they spend $2B/year on content and somehow manage to only have Clearchannel garbage stations? They're getting ripped off.

Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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I'm working on a IoT device and this is something that my cofounders and I have discussed a fair bit. While we want to succeed, we know that most businesses fail, and we don't want to put out products that become waste. We're working on mitigating this by having an open hardware platform. The idea being that, even if our cloud service isn't up, you can re-flash the hardware to do anything you want. And you can use ou…

Do you think that Automatic needed to have a cloud service? Their primary use case seems to have been uploading mileage data to a variety of expense reporting systems. I don't see any reason that has to go from the OBDII dongle through the now-discontinued Automatic servers, and only then pass to the actual endpoint. These IoT devices (and especially the phones and PCs that typically act as intermediaries) are abunda…

The devices just collected bread crumbs of data (for example, GPS points or 1 second samples of the vehicles speed). You need some horse power to process these into higher level objects like trips.

In theory, it could be done on a cellphone, but a ton of extra data is needed inc volumetric models of an engine (to calculate fuel usage accurately). Doing it server side makes it possible to build this in an agile method vs going to every single make/model and getting this right the first time.

Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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I'm working on a IoT device and this is something that my cofounders and I have discussed a fair bit. While we want to succeed, we know that most businesses fail, and we don't want to put out products that become waste. We're working on mitigating this by having an open hardware platform. The idea being that, even if our cloud service isn't up, you can re-flash the hardware to do anything you want. And you can use ou…

I worked at an ultimately unsuccessful IoT startup a few years ago. Our first product was a wireless leak detector with remote notifications, it was definitely better than the what the market currently had on offer but it only "worked" if its base-station could contact a service via the internet. On the software side of the project had a lot of time to think about the long term future while the hardware team was work…

> No improvements/bug fixes/etc., just a guarantee that whatever sort of phoning-home the hardware was doing before could continue after. With no new sales, so no growth to worry about, seems like it should be pretty easy to predict the total cost to run the thing for the promised duration on a cloud service like AWS.

For devices that are air-gapped the idea may be workable, but not in the form you’ve outlined for internet-connected devices. What happens when a major vulnerability is discovered? Who is liable when a vulnerable device gets exploited in a well-orchestrated breach?

Such a company would eventually be confronted with the reality of lawsuits.

Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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I'm working on a IoT device and this is something that my cofounders and I have discussed a fair bit. While we want to succeed, we know that most businesses fail, and we don't want to put out products that become waste. We're working on mitigating this by having an open hardware platform. The idea being that, even if our cloud service isn't up, you can re-flash the hardware to do anything you want. And you can use ou…

Do you think that Automatic needed to have a cloud service? Their primary use case seems to have been uploading mileage data to a variety of expense reporting systems. I don't see any reason that has to go from the OBDII dongle through the now-discontinued Automatic servers, and only then pass to the actual endpoint. These IoT devices (and especially the phones and PCs that typically act as intermediaries) are abunda…

It's probably more about control than cost. Our company's product is similar to Automatic's, in that, in theory, you could have everything be done on-device and not need a proprietary backend at all.

Other than the fact that this is difficult to keep up-to-date and working, it increases the hardware cost significantly. Instead of having a very cheap microcontroller handling everything, you might need something more capable and more expensive.

Development cost goes up too, since instead of writing your integrations in Python, Go, JS, or whatever, you need to write your integrations on your embedded system.

Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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It's hard to believe they weren't acquired. The amount of driving data they have must be huge.

Perhaps there is better datasets for sale.

The added information compared to what Google or Apple are collecting is perhaps ODB metrics, but I'm not sure whether ODB metrics of gaz cars have a lot of value.

Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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According to their App Store description: > We no longer recommend using the Automatic car adapter due to reliability issues. Do you happen to know if this is real or just a CYA? I'd pay $10 to extend the life of my adapter, but not if I needed to buy another device anyway.

Former VP Eng @ Automatic here :( There is an auth component needed for that BT connectivity to work - once the token expires, the BT connection won't authenticate anymore. i.e. if you uninstall the BT apps, change phone etc...

Why wouldn't you have pushed an update that removed the DRM?

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Former VP Eng @ Automatic here :( There is an auth component needed for that BT connectivity to work - once the token expires, the BT connection won't authenticate anymore. i.e. if you uninstall the BT apps, change phone etc...

Why wouldn't you have pushed an update that removed the DRM?

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Re: Automatic (Car Adapter) Shutting Down

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SiriusXM not shutting down yet?

They are kept alive by how annoying it is to cancel the service and avoid future 'complimentary' reactivations.

If you live in California, you can require them to delete your information so that they can't contact you about your radio ID any longer.
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