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Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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I have never heard of this before. It is fascinating to me that health care gets decoupled from employment but eating is considered an employment benefit. I don't really object or anything, it just seems out of character. Wouldn't it be better if the government did this directly by the same logic you'd apply to health care? Making employee meals tax deductible instead of just giving everyone a government funded food…

It's an interesting comparison, but I don't really think it's in the same ballpark as healthcare being provided by your employer. It's cheap (less than $90/month for mine) and it's optional - nobody's dying or going bankrupt because they don't have stravenky . It's better to think of it like the free coffee, fruit, breakfast and snacks you might have in your office. I'm sure someone 's made an argument that they'd ra…

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like you'd deduct it from personal taxes. In the US, health insurance paid by your employer is automatically deducted from your taxes so it is analogous.

The small amount almost makes it stranger, why not just give the benefit to everyone? Food seems like it would be a basic necessity comparable to healthcare, especially when you're talking about such a small amount, and it boosts the local economy just as much if it's coming from an employed person as an unemployed person.

Edit: But yes, I see your point about it being intended to be analogous to "snacks in the office" or whatever. It just seems very strange that it would be in widespread use but tied to your employer. It does sound nice. I just don't understand why it's employer run if it's a cultural expectation.

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If that were Zuokas, definitely.

Aaaah the only Ig Nobel Prize winner in Lithuania!

For those following along from the side, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art%C5%ABras_Zuokas#Awards_and...

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After this Covid returns to normal and its safe I will go and visit Vilnius as a tourist! :)

You should take this test first: https://vilniusgspot.com/

My day is measurably better having come across this site.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52466471/page/3 "29 Apr: The death toll from the virus in the UK rises to more than 26,000 after care home deaths are included for first time " Apart from that, luckily, we have also "all deaths" (for any reason whatsoever) statistics for participating EU countries (and, still, UK), so we can compare these too: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps Even there Belgium has had quit…

I'm not sure on the Belgium situation but there is quite the lag between death and reporting of these care home numbers. For a care home death to be counted towards the coronavirus total a death certificate is required which takes time. There has also been a large deal of controversy over the counting of care home deaths in the UK with the government consistently being called out by care home operators for unbelievab…

> There has also been a large deal of controversy over the counting of care home deaths in the UK with the government consistently being called out by care home operators for unbelievable care home death numbers.

Do you have something about "unbelievable"? Per BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52284281

"There is a two-week time lag in the data collected for official statistics. The most recent figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) are for the week ending 17 April. At that point, there had been 3,096 Covid-19-related deaths in care homes in England and Wales."

"the Care Quality Commission (CQC)" "already has to be notified when there is a death in a care home. It is also now asking care providers to give daily updates on deaths and the number of confirmed and suspected coronavirus cases.

Between 10 and 25 April, their findings show that 4,343 individuals died in care homes from coronavirus."

Looking at euromomo, it appears to me that the UK did not report some deaths related to Covid-19, the question is only where exactly.

Edit: to pjc50:

> San Marino lost 1,208 people (so far) out of 30k?

No. See again: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/san-marino... Total deaths: 41 == 0.12 percent == 1,208 per million

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From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

> they still persist with the idiocy Also, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries is Belgium at this moment, except for San Marino of only 30,000 inhabitants, the country with the highest death rate in the world from coronavirus epidemics , per million of population: San Marino: 1,208 Belgium: 655 Spain: 519 Italy: 458 UK: 384 France: 369 Netherlands: 275 Sweden: 244 USA: 186 Germany: 77 Gr…

San Marino lost 1,208 people (so far) out of 30k? That's absolutely horrendous :( A massive tragedy for my favourite microstate, the last of the Eurovision-participating ones.

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From the opposite side of the spectrum, meet Antwerp Belgium. First thing they did under the guise of "Corona measures' was lift the low emission zone so the most heavily polluting vehicles could once again roam free in the city, and make all on street parking free. Their pretends that this was 'to give maximal access to care workers' fell flat immediately as all caseworkers that needed city access already had comply…

your two points have nothing to do with each other. the world didn't see a dent from the heavily polluting vehicles. and they took up free parking. ok. well to the people who need parking spots, the emissions don't matter. just the spaces. so why bring it up? you probably wasted more emissions than those vehicles did with your comment.

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Yep same deal as us, a mix of employer/employee contributions pay for them, they can be used for some items in supermarket (not for things like alcohol) and I think the employer contribution is tax exempt too

I have never heard of this before. It is fascinating to me that health care gets decoupled from employment but eating is considered an employment benefit. I don't really object or anything, it just seems out of character. Wouldn't it be better if the government did this directly by the same logic you'd apply to health care? Making employee meals tax deductible instead of just giving everyone a government funded food…

Healthcare is universal. That's just a bonus.

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post #41

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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52466471/page/3 "29 Apr: The death toll from the virus in the UK rises to more than 26,000 after care home deaths are included for first time " Apart from that, luckily, we have also "all deaths" (for any reason whatsoever) statistics for participating EU countries (and, still, UK), so we can compare these too: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps Even there Belgium has had quit…

I'm not sure on the Belgium situation but there is quite the lag between death and reporting of these care home numbers. For a care home death to be counted towards the coronavirus total a death certificate is required which takes time. There has also been a large deal of controversy over the counting of care home deaths in the UK with the government consistently being called out by care home operators for unbelievab…

Unbelievably high or unbelievably low?

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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post #58

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It's an interesting comparison, but I don't really think it's in the same ballpark as healthcare being provided by your employer. It's cheap (less than $90/month for mine) and it's optional - nobody's dying or going bankrupt because they don't have stravenky . It's better to think of it like the free coffee, fruit, breakfast and snacks you might have in your office. I'm sure someone 's made an argument that they'd ra…

Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like you'd deduct it from personal taxes. In the US, health insurance paid by your employer is automatically deducted from your taxes so it is analogous. The small amount almost makes it stranger, why not just give the benefit to everyone? Food seems like it would be a basic necessity comparable to healthcare, especially when you're talking about such a small amount, and it boost…

You make a good point though, in an ideal world[0] the next step might be the government stepping up to provide something like this to everyone. Remember that what the government is "paying" here (or rather waiving) is the tax on that, not the entire amount (so I dunno, $9 instead of $90). The government here isn't spectacularly wealthy though so I don't know if they'd be able to fund the full amount without raising taxes, which would be a tough sell.

[0] = my idea of an ideal world is very subjective so might not match up with everyone else's!

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> they still persist with the idiocy Also, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries is Belgium at this moment, except for San Marino of only 30,000 inhabitants, the country with the highest death rate in the world from coronavirus epidemics , per million of population: San Marino: 1,208 Belgium: 655 Spain: 519 Italy: 458 UK: 384 France: 369 Netherlands: 275 Sweden: 244 USA: 186 Germany: 77 Gr…

San Marino lost 1,208 people (so far) out of 30k? That's absolutely horrendous :( A massive tragedy for my favourite microstate, the last of the Eurovision-participating ones.

No, 1208 per million inhabitants. They lost 41.
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