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When U.S. air force discovered the flaw of averages (2016)

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Shouldn't it be: Half of the population is dumber than the median . ??

This is true by default, the other depends on the distribution.

Since intelligence must be a one-sided distribution it's probably right-tailed, which means the mean is higher than the median. So I expect (slightly) more than half of the population to be dumber than average.

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Consider this set of statistics: 90% of elementary school teachers are female [1]. 90% of veterans are male [2]. Unsurprising. But, there are 2 million female veterans in the US, and only 1.7 million female elementary school teachers. That means if you talk to a random American female, it is more likely that she is a veteran than an elementary school teacher. I think a lot of disagreements on Hacker News and elsewher…

That's because you need to know that there are ~20 million veterans and ~1.87 million elementary school teachers, i.e. you need to know the base rate if I'm reversing the calculations properly. Another flaw of averages is apparent when you realize that the average person has less than two eyes.

That must mean that well over 10% of adult male (from the other statistic that 90% of veterans are male) Americans have served in the military. I never would have thought the number was that high, especially with the military being all volunteer for decades.

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Consider this set of statistics: 90% of elementary school teachers are female [1]. 90% of veterans are male [2]. Unsurprising. But, there are 2 million female veterans in the US, and only 1.7 million female elementary school teachers. That means if you talk to a random American female, it is more likely that she is a veteran than an elementary school teacher. I think a lot of disagreements on Hacker News and elsewher…

This is midly-nitpicky, but those numbers only include public elementary school teachers. There are a lot of private/parochial school elementary teachers out there. There might very well be more female elementary school teachers then female veterans.

Re: When U.S. air force discovered the flaw of averages (2016)

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And half of the population is dumber than the average. :-)

Shouldn't it be: Half of the population is dumber than the median . ??

>Shouldn't it be: >Half of the population is dumber than the median. >??

Probably not. Imagine a population of three people. The middle person is not dumber than themselves.

Re: When U.S. air force discovered the flaw of averages (2016)

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true by default, the other depends on the distribution.

Since intelligence must be a one-sided distribution it's probably right-tailed, which means the mean is higher than the median. So I expect (slightly) more than half of the population to be dumber than average.

>Since intelligence must be a one-sided distribution it's probably right-tailed, which means the mean is higher than the median.

There are a lot of people with physical injuries or disabilities that skew things to the left.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And half of the population is dumber than the average. :-)

Shouldn't it be: Half of the population is dumber than the median . ??

The median is one measure of central tendency, though less commonly used than the mean when referring to “average”.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't it be: Half of the population is dumber than the median . ??

>Shouldn't it be: >Half of the population is dumber than the median. >?? Probably not. Imagine a population of three people. The middle person is not dumber than themselves.

That’s a very small population.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because you need to know that there are ~20 million veterans and ~1.87 million elementary school teachers, i.e. you need to know the base rate if I'm reversing the calculations properly. Another flaw of averages is apparent when you realize that the average person has less than two eyes.

That must mean that well over 10% of adult male (from the other statistic that 90% of veterans are male) Americans have served in the military. I never would have thought the number was that high, especially with the military being all volunteer for decades.

There are about 2mm active and reserve military members and about 400mm Americans on the whole, so there are, at any time, 0.5% Americans in the military. Assuming the average enlistment is 1 term or 4 years, and people have about 80 year lifespans, then you get ~20 (80/4) "generations" of enlistments over a person's lifespan. 20 * 0.5% is 10%, so about what you would expect for "living veterans" if you had a constant cycle of veterans through the system. That's serious back of the napkin math (lots of assumptions!), so it might be incorrect, but I think it shows that 10% isn't too far from what you might expect, right?

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Note that this is not some sort of unexpected effect due to humans not behaving mathematically ideally; this is what happens when your intuitions about 1, 2 and 3 dimensions are applied to higher dimensional spaces. Consider the goal of being in the middle 50% of a random value on one dimension; you have a 50% chance. But if you have two dimensions, and you want to be in the middle 50% for both of them, it's a 25% ch…

1 of 10,000 is .01% right?

Was going to make the same comment, should be 0.1 people out of 1000.
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