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The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by anigbrowl »

JadeNB wrote: post #22
mettamage wrote: post #8

Psychoanalysis: psychologists that don't do experiments, according to my university. Because of this they were briefly covered during one lecture and then completely tossed aside. Psychology != experimental psychology Yes, experimental psychologists have a field that almost completely crumbled, but at least they (1) admitted it and (2) some of them try to conduct science and succeed at it (most don't succeed unfortun…

Not to spoil anyone's surprise, but the title of mettamage's linked video is "Deldo - Vibration Control and Teledildonics Mode for Emacs".

Zizek has a joke that since so many people own sex toys nowadays he wonders why they don't just bring them to each others' homes on dates and let the toys do their thing while the humans discuss philosophy and sip tea, and so on.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by m3047 »

dleslie wrote: post #42
vesche wrote: post #12

From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Having watched the video, read this post, and written serious amounts of non-trivial code in Javascript, PHP, SQL, C, Assembly, Perl, Regex, Java, C++, Python, C#, Ruby, and Scheme... I don't disagree. The "melancholy" hit especially hard.

I think romantically of MACRO-32 and the VAX silicon it ran on. (I have a CVAX2 chip pressed into a luggage tag somewhere around here...)

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by kortex »

This was fascinating. I'd condense the overall sentiment to, "Pleasure is desireable and pain is inevitable. When and where do you get pleasure and avoid pain?" Also, these definitions are different than the common definitions. Here's a rough digest:

Psychopaths: I don't care about rules, types, or beauty, just get it done (JS)

Obsessives: a little monotony now avoids a lot of pain later (go, java)

Masochists: Look at how disciplined I am! (C)

Sadists: Look at how impotent everyone else is! (perl, regex)

Hysterics: Look at how beautiful this code is! (python)

Fetishists: Have you tried more X? (objects, abstractions, types) (smalltalk, erlang)

Melancholy: Oh, I miss the days when I could write an entire application in 200 lines of Lisp...

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by DonHopkins »

m3047 wrote: post #55
mettamage wrote: post #8

Psychoanalysis: psychologists that don't do experiments, according to my university. Because of this they were briefly covered during one lecture and then completely tossed aside. Psychology != experimental psychology Yes, experimental psychologists have a field that almost completely crumbled, but at least they (1) admitted it and (2) some of them try to conduct science and succeed at it (most don't succeed unfortun…

Timothy Leary was a pioneer in group psychotherapy, FWTW.

And Timothy Leary benefited from a practical application of his own psychological test, the "Leary Interpersonal Behavior Inventory": he used it to break out of jail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary#Legal_troubles

>On January 21, 1970, Leary received a 10-year sentence for his 1968 offense, with a further 10 added later while in custody for a prior arrest in 1965, for a total of 20 years to be served consecutively. On his arrival in prison, he was given psychological tests used to assign inmates to appropriate work details. Having designed some of these tests himself (including the "Leary Interpersonal Behavior Inventory"), Leary answered them in such a way that he seemed to be a very conforming, conventional person with a great interest in forestry and gardening. As a result, he was assigned to work as a gardener in a lower-security prison from which he escaped in September 1970, saying that his non-violent escape was a humorous prank and leaving a challenging note for the authorities to find after he was gone.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by dleslie »

type0 wrote: post #53
dleslie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having watched the video, read this post, and written serious amounts of non-trivial code in Javascript, PHP, SQL, C, Assembly, Perl, Regex, Java, C++, Python, C#, Ruby, and Scheme... I don't disagree. The "melancholy" hit especially hard.

> The "melancholy" hit especially hard. Romanticism of Lisp: how awesome it could have been if I were writing this on a modern Lisp machine.

I use Emacs in no small part because of elisp... Oh dear.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by samatman »

wolfgke wrote: post #19
vesche wrote: post #12

From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Where do Nock and Hoon belong (from Urbit, for those who are out of the loop)?

Hoon is a sadistic language implemented by a hysterical personality.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by dleslie »

DonHopkins wrote: post #45
joe_the_user wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, various parts are taken amusingly but I think this is aiming to be a serious inquiry into the psychology of programming language choice , which a bit different from the psychology of actually programming. Language choice is much wrapped up with power and ideology, areas that Zizek etc focus on strongly.

And letting go of a programming language that you fell in love with, who was ripped away from you or died for whatever reason, can be an emotionally difficult experience. Then there's that period where you're not ready to learn a new programming language, because you don't want to dishonor the memory of the lost language you're still mourning for. At the end of the talk, he mentioned that Paul Graham writes poeticall…

My feelings for Turbo Pascal are not unlike my feelings for the first ex who I truly cared about. It's hard to let go of that first love.

Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

wolfgke wrote: post #19
vesche wrote: post #12

From the video... Psychopath Languages: Javascript, PHP, VBA, and SQL Masochist Languages: C, Assembly, Ada, Brainfuck, and Factor Sadist Languages: Perl, Clojure, Erlang, and Regex Fetishistic Languages: Erlang, Smalltalk, Elixir, and Factor Obsessional Languages: Java, C++, Haskell, Scala, Go Hysterical Languages: Python, Ruby, C#, Prolog, Elixir, and Matlib Depression Languages: COBOL Melancholy Languages: Lisp, S…

Where do Nock and Hoon belong (from Urbit, for those who are out of the loop)?

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Re: The pervert's guide to computer programming languages (2017) [video]

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Post by DonHopkins »

ur-whale wrote: post #24
dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such things can still make a fine Hacker News submission. " Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> A good critical comment teaches us something Feel free to discard point number one of my post if you enjoy watching that kind of tripe. Point number two of my post teaches us not to waste 30 minutes of our lives watching something that serves no practical purpose whatsoever.

Speaking of number two, what are your thoughts on Zizek's theory of the Paradox of Toilets?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXPyCY7jbs

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