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Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

Wow that hurt to watch.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Why is Alireza Firouzja being referred to as "Iranian teen"? He's an international top player. I doubt that Carlsen was referred to as "Norwegian teen" when he was ranking in the top 25. p.s: As always: responses > downvotes.

Agreed 100%. If you're the editor thinking up this headline, you've got a choice between a) crediting established chess powerhouse Firouzja with a well-deserved victory over Magnus; or b) downplaying his accomplishments in order to make it seem like the reigning champion lost to a random high schooler.

"Established chess powerhouse" - not in the eyes of your average reader who doesn't follow world chess events, and most likely wouldn't be able to name any active chess player, with the possible exception of Carlsen himself.

It's CNN, not ChessBase. They have no reason to assume any chess-related who-is-who knowledge on the reader's part.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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:) I wonder how good a random person from HN will be at chess. Let's figure it out - https://lichess.org/0wzDnVfy update: better than me. lol Created a hn tournament (finished): https://lichess.org/tournament/rWPYf1fK Created a second tournament: https://lichess.org/tournament/Wg6CHtmp

Thanks for playing ! Can't believe I made it 2nd, first podium of a tournament for me xD

Another haxor created a team we can all join to keep in touch: https://lichess.org/team/hacker-news

GLHF ;)

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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post #55

I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

That is a fascinating look behind the scenes of top flight blitz chess (I knew nothing). A few highlights:

* There's a dispute over win vs draw, with a great behind the scenes camera work.

* "If he can talk, this is a coffee house!"

* They move so fast, they can't keep the pieces on the correct tile!

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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post #62
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed 100%. If you're the editor thinking up this headline, you've got a choice between a) crediting established chess powerhouse Firouzja with a well-deserved victory over Magnus; or b) downplaying his accomplishments in order to make it seem like the reigning champion lost to a random high schooler.

"Established chess powerhouse" - not in the eyes of your average reader who doesn't follow world chess events, and most likely wouldn't be able to name any active chess player, with the possible exception of Carlsen himself. It's CNN, not ChessBase. They have no reason to assume any chess-related who-is-who knowledge on the reader's part.

CNN's average reader couldn't pick Magnus Carlsen out of a police lineup. At that point you either try grasping at whatever semblance of credibility you have: "Chess prodigy finally defeats Magnus Carlsen in a blitz tournament", or go for those allegedly profitable clicks and title the article "Iranian teen SHOCKS Magnus Carlsen".

It's all trash. The headline is insulting to Magnus. It's insulting to Firouzja. It's insulting to the readers.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades Easily? No. The only player to have the top rating longer than 10 years is kasparov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIDE_chess_world_numbe... > if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's lon…

Korchnoi was still in the top 100 at the age of 76. Of course "easily" is a vast exaggeration.

And Samuel Reshevsky was an elite player from age 11 into his 70s.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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post #55

I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the game would've been declared a draw)

Basically have some empathy, losing is rough & in a tournament most players are losing, for all we know he just needed to sleep on it & came around the next day

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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post #61
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

Wow that hurt to watch.

Yeah, not only did he throw his water bottle out of anger, he tried to appeal over something he lied about. Hard to care about him at all after seeing that behavior.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

Time out is a draw if the opponent doesn't have the material to mate.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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For those interested, the POVs from each player are uploaded on youtube. Magnus POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJtyQLkmRsU Alireza POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb9RtOBuLm0 Best moment: https://youtu.be/rJtyQLkmRsU?t=3958 Of the many spectacular moments and reactions, the best was Magnus winning a lost position and believing it won him the match (and implying Alireza has much to learn before being able t…

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