My massive level of cynicism on this subject makes things like this seem completely unsurprising. I generally feel that the Binney and Snowden revelations served to normalize knowledge of being systematically monitored by big brother. This common knowledge of being watched is absolutely necessary for a surveillance state to function as intended. The gold mine of private data made available to them via National Security Letters and other such mandates to provide access. Surveillance capitalism is not really about capitalism at all but thats just my cynical side again.
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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based. They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of…
> the system shouldn't have been made in the first place,and the mere existence of it guarantees the capability for it to be abused I casually know the guys who made this, and they're, well, unorthodox thinkers in terms of ethics. I highly doubt that, say, government regulations would've prevented them from building this app (although it may prevent them from using it in certain regions). It's very hard to put neural…
You can't prevent it from being built, but you can prevent people making a profit on it
Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
#63Why TF should the burden be on me ? So tired of this. Everything should be opt-in. You don't have permission unless I explicitly give it to you!
Permission isn't needed; fascists don't ask for consent.
If it really riles you up, which it should, you should go and pressure your legislators into creating legislation that prevents them from doing what they're doing.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the system shouldn't have been made in the first place,and the mere existence of it guarantees the capability for it to be abused I casually know the guys who made this, and they're, well, unorthodox thinkers in terms of ethics. I highly doubt that, say, government regulations would've prevented them from building this app (although it may prevent them from using it in certain regions). It's very hard to put neural…
You can't prevent it from being built, but you can prevent people making a profit on it
You can prevent people from making a profit on it... in the legal marketplace*, in the US/EU†.
You don't think people would pay serious crypto for access to this? Or that states with different "ethics" wouldn't pay for it?
Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
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#66As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…
There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.
Yes, I think this is what they'd argue too. But something to think about: Recently Google was asked (in France[1]) to start paying publishers for including news snippets in search results. That data is also "public" in the sense that it is available for crawling, but it is still owned by creators who can (and did) exercise rights to limit use. Presence of a third platform like Facebook further complicates this (I don't know if you sign off your rights to your photos when you upload them to FB for example).
[1]: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/french-regulator...
Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
#67There's something very wrong about some random company being able to collect lots of data about you where the only way to stop it is to _somehow_ know about the company and opt out _after_ it collects that data.
And they collect and process this data even if you're a member of the EU - surely this is against the GDPR? I realise the photos they have are publicly available, but that only means I've consented for them to be displayed on Github, Facebook or wherever - it doesn't mean I've consented for some scummy startup to hoover up all my data, process it and index it.
And you have to send them a clear photo of yourself to opt-out... there is something very wrong with that. I don't believe for one second that they don't have, for example, my email address.
Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
#68As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…
The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based. They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of…
Well if you legally have to be able to opt out, and they can't opt you out without completely reworking their business, then legally it seems like they should have to rework their business if you opt out. I'd call that a functioning opt out, even though I expect I'm being unrealistically optimistic :(
Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai
#69Could I just say I'm a resident of CA or the EU? Clearview supposedly doesn't have any info other than public images, so how would they know the difference?
I also wonder this. Further, what if you built a bot that simply scraped photos of people and submitted all of them to Clearview? Are they legally able to refuse ANY of the submissions?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Use a profile picture that's already public and have been crawled a bajillion times. E.g. https://twitter.com/jbverschoor/photo
The next request is your government-issued ID :-)
I'm not sure if you're joking, but I've seen some companies actually asking you to send a passport or driving licence copy.