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Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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That's insane, but in line with what other (local) sms gateways charge here. But do you really need my phone number?

I have experience with building a very large community where registration was based on e-mail alone. Racism & general hate don't even begin to describe the things that came along with anonymity and disposable e-mail...

There are plenty of services for anonymous, disposable phone numbers.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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The latter two comments seem pretty useful feedback though

number 1 is pretty useful feedback for me, if they don't respond to people who apply I don't intend to take time to make a good cover letter and adapt my CV to highlight how I would be a good fit for the job.

As a hiring manager I can assure you that is not always practical. If someone makes it to an interview, even if it's just a first stage telephone interview, then I'll readily give feedback. If some sends a CV and then asks for feedback then I will also happily provide feedback if time permits). But recruitment is a heavily time consuming process already and some positions can receive dozens or more CVs so I don't have the time to reply to every single candidate and explain to them "Thank you for applying but unfortunately we've had better CVs through." Likewise I've never expected that when applying for other jobs either.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

#63
post #59

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Nobody is stopping anyone from providing that feedback through mail, so still no need for comments.

I don't understand why you're downvoting me when you're ostensibly making the same point I was. Did you actually read my comment to the end or just made the assumption I'm wrong because I replied to dang? Because I was actually agreeing with him for the most part.

The distinction between "has value for the submitter of the job ad" and "has value for the entire community" is an important one. Comments that only meet the former test can just be sent directly to the submitter by email or whatever.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #59

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I don't understand why you're downvoting me when you're ostensibly making the same point I was. Did you actually read my comment to the end or just made the assumption I'm wrong because I replied to dang? Because I was actually agreeing with him for the most part.

The distinction between "has value for the submitter of the job ad" and "has value for the entire community" is an important one. Comments that only meet the former test can just be sent directly to the submitter by email or whatever.

Preface: before you read on bare please in mind I'm not advocating comments be enabled (like many others have assumed)

> The distinction between "has value for the submitter of the job ad" and "has value for the entire community" is an important one.

I disagree. For example if there is a typo in a URL could take a while for the poster to update it and they might not even be able to edit their submission if it's not identified in time. So if a community member says "link to xyz.com should by xyz.org" that would help other community members who wouldn't know what the correct URL was meant to be. That kind of comment has real value to everyone and not just the submitter.

> Comments that only meet the former test can just be sent directly to the submitter by email or whatever.

Lets be clear (because I've already stated this twice and it still seems to be overlooked) I'm not advocating that comments should be enabled. I agree with the point that those kind of comments are better off sent out-of-band because they don't offer enough value to justify the inevitable low value comments that would also follow. The only point I was making was that the distinction between useful and interesting shouldn't be overstated because they are typically (though obviously not always) linked.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #44

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I have experience with building a very large community where registration was based on e-mail alone. Racism & general hate don't even begin to describe the things that came along with anonymity and disposable e-mail...

There are plenty of services for anonymous, disposable phone numbers.

True, but far fewer than disposable e-mail.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #49
post #41

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Just got Cloudflare Error 522, Our work is done here HN, next one please.

That can't be right though. The box is fairly strong :) I believe that CF may have a new IP range which accesses origins, and I white-listed their known ranges a few months ago. Perhaps this calls for an update to that whitelist.

> That can't be right though.

Unsolicited advice, but please don't have this mindset towards system failure. More things go wrong than you anticipate.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

#67
post #62

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number 1 is pretty useful feedback for me, if they don't respond to people who apply I don't intend to take time to make a good cover letter and adapt my CV to highlight how I would be a good fit for the job.

As a hiring manager I can assure you that is not always practical. If someone makes it to an interview, even if it's just a first stage telephone interview, then I'll readily give feedback. If some sends a CV and then asks for feedback then I will also happily provide feedback if time permits). But recruitment is a heavily time consuming process already and some positions can receive dozens or more CVs so I don't hav…

ok, but I would think like this:

looking for a job is a heavily time consuming process, and going to a new job is a risky process. I'm too well-situated to take that time or risk on any thing that seems off. I would have to be desperate to change that calculation.

If a company does not reply I assume there are potential reasons:

1. company is disorganized, just as a company would penalize me for seeming disorganized I will certainly do the same with a potential employer. The point of a company is in some ways to be more organized than individual humans; it is, after all, an organization. If it can't or won't be organized I won't have anything to do with them.

2. Company is rude. Treating someone badly when you have no power over them is a warning sign never to let the company have power over you.

3. Company does not have good tools setup to automate responses to people whose applications it has decided not to go further with - which is a subset of company is disorganized.

So I guess there is a mismatch between our goals and needs in the requirement process.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

#69
post #49

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That can't be right though. The box is fairly strong :) I believe that CF may have a new IP range which accesses origins, and I white-listed their known ranges a few months ago. Perhaps this calls for an update to that whitelist.

> That can't be right though. Unsolicited advice, but please don't have this mindset towards system failure. More things go wrong than you anticipate.

Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it. I did examine everything that came to mind and the only thing at this point that may be happening is cloudflare -> origin connectivity for some users. I am using a keyword based monitoring since day one and so far no issues with reachability have been detected. This could be related to CF Geo firewall (disabled, but perhaps caching on CF side need to expire?). The only way I can verify CFOrigin connectivity is by paying for CF a Pro account with Origin health check feature. If you have any ideas/suggestions how to troubleshoot this, I would be happy to hear them. Thanks!

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

#70

Hi dang This was a good test but it failed some key characteristics to make it an excellent test message. You didn't put foo or bar anywhere in the test message. There was no Cthulhu phrases. Plus there was no pi or the numerical answer to the universe and everything. I trust you will take this onboard for the next test.

Agreed on all points. Also, it's going to be very difficult for future HNers to find this test because the title is almost unsearchable. This will make it harder for it to grow organically.
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