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Additional 6.6M File for Initial Unemployment Benefits [pdf]

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I'm also hearing this morning that we've hit the 10% mark. I also heard the same economist say "The economy is collapsing, and it's a global collapse". I don't even need coffee to be alert the rest of the day...

Any speculations on how bad is this going to get? Should I stock up on TP, on food, or on vodka and ammo?

The three A’s of the apocalypse; ammo, alcohol and antibiotics..

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..and an additional $60,0000 national debt per household.

It's weird how the national debt is only a problem when the proposal is helping ordinary people and never a problem when the proposal is to go to war overseas.

12.5% of the $2T is "helping ordinary people". And some of us have been teargassed protesting wars..

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And all this for a virus that kills around 1% of the people who get it, and the majority of them are retired. Future generations will look at us and wonder how we were this stupid.

You should check the numbers coming out of Italy. It’s not 1% if the medical system is overwhelmed. Moreover, you do realize that’s 3 million dead in the US alone?

Don't forget that Italy and France aren't counting people who die of COVID-19 at home or in nursing facilities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-coronavirus-deat...

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Building on my analysis from last week: 1. This week's 6.6M new jobless claims represents ~4% of the estimated ~160-165M US Workforce. 2. This is incremental to the 3.3M new jobless claims filed week ending 3/21, totaling ~10M total jobless claims in the past 2 weeks. 3. The US unemployment rate was ~3.5% as of EOM February [1], so cumulatively that means we've hit ~10% unemployment as of EOW 3/28 (~10M incremental j…

That's not too bad... here in Belgium we currently have half of the working population on unemployment benefits.

The US' unemployment rate was much, much lower than many western European unemployment rates prior to coronavirus, so it doesn't make sense to compare the absolute number here - instead you should be comparing relative figures. The US' unemployment rate has tripled in the past 2 weeks based on this analysis.

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And all this for a virus that kills around 1% of the people who get it, and the majority of them are retired. Future generations will look at us and wonder how we were this stupid.

It kills 1% if ICU care is available. It kills a lot more if the healthcare system is overwhelmed. Look at Spain or Italy. Case fatality rate is around 10%. Letting it run its course it needs to infect 60-70% of the population before herd immunity kicks in. 1% of 60% of the population of the US is 2 million people. World-wide you're looking at 45 million people for a very optimistic scenario. The numbers could easily…

The comment you're replying to referred to "1% of the people who get it", which has basically nothing to do with CFR. Getting the virus is necessary but far from sufficient to become a case.

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The odd thing to me about it is that futures seem largely positive. Is it because the CAREs act or dropped labor is supposed to equal money not spent and thus meant to shield companies ( and investors )? I honestly do not get how market interprets it as good news.

They think it will require more stimulus money.

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I'm also hearing this morning that we've hit the 10% mark. I also heard the same economist say "The economy is collapsing, and it's a global collapse". I don't even need coffee to be alert the rest of the day...

Would you have a link to more reading from that economist about this?

Not really, sadly. I just heard him on an internal conference call we have twice a week, so don't really have a link to provide but don't think he's published his views in writing just yet. I expect a lot of similar predictions to come out now that the unemployment claims number is out (as of ~1 hour ago)

For general views of very smart people on the economy and markets, I recommend Bloomberg Surveillance every morning on the Bloomberg app, radio and on your favorite podcast app

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#68
Hopefully most of these people will be re-employed once the crisis has subsided a bit and our ability to handle the likely echo peaks of infections happen over the next year increases. There will certainly be starts and stops as the highly interdependent parts of the economy try to get streamlined again in a rather herky-jerky manner. No doubt some companies and maybe even large portion of industries collapse. Also companies that are healthy might take this situation as an opportunity to cut away what they consider to be dead weight under the cover of the crisis.

Unemployment numbers, if we're lucky, will crash quickly but there's going to be a long tail on the recovery.

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It kills 1% if ICU care is available. It kills a lot more if the healthcare system is overwhelmed. Look at Spain or Italy. Case fatality rate is around 10%. Letting it run its course it needs to infect 60-70% of the population before herd immunity kicks in. 1% of 60% of the population of the US is 2 million people. World-wide you're looking at 45 million people for a very optimistic scenario. The numbers could easily…

The case fatality rate is meaningless when testing isn't done extensively.

I know. But we don't know the true fatality rate yet and we won't know it before it's way too late to act. I don't think it's okay to literally risk millions of lives on the off chance that we missed 95% of the cases with our testing.

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I hope that tech industry employees do not feel immune to this. I encourage you to take a look at your customer base and think very critically about where that money is actually coming from.

> I hope that tech industry employees do not feel immune to this.

Our client services team is in overdrive making sure all our customers are as happy as possible. This is something every company should be doing right now.

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