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Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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Did you read the beginning? This is an extension to an existing dead man switch app whose only purpose is to hide the fact that it's a dead man switch. The underlying app is indeed a dead man switch.

I read the text in the link, but I can’t figure what it is a dead mans switch _for_?

It seems the web service will automatically contact whoever you have set up to be contacted, if you don't take action on the notifications from the app

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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This isn’t mine, but the number of my users with js turned off isn’t worth the effort. You guys make a lot of noise, but not a lot of traffic.

Your analytics are probably blocked by anyone who has JS off so your traffic numbers are skewed.

They aren’t.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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I've heard this before, but am not sure to what it refers. What is this fallacy? I always figured people could just get a restraining order or a concealed carry license if needed. Do the situations of abuse commonly preclude this?

Abusers are like an exponentially worse than a typical asshole. They have no shame and will do anything to get their way. They are highly manipulative, but at more controlling and intimate level. They get into the head of their victims to control them with guilt, shame, "love", affection, blackmail, isolation, access to children, etc and reinforce that control with physical abuse. The manipulation makes it difficult…

It's compounded by the fact that typical abusers are charming people and normal people cannot imagine the full extent of spouse/child abuse, consequently everything the victim says must be totally made up.

The cops are specially evil in that regard, incidence of family abuse in the steroid gang is 5 times the regular population. If you call the police you may find they'll side against the caller.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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It's also an absolute gobsmackingly terrible term to use for this application.

What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

Yes, but understanding how it operates and your target audience are distinct. Make it clear it is a "domestic abuse panic button". Put yourself in the user's shoes. It is still a "dead man's switch", but that's not what to call it to effectively market it.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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It's also an absolute gobsmackingly terrible term to use for this application.

What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

Compelling app, I see where you’re coming from I know what a dead man switch is... but gowld is right it’s a terrible term to use. It conveys the wrong imagery for the just the wrong amount of time to cause the most cognitive dissonance when parsing ya’lls prose. To paraphrase the old adage that gets tossed around here, you are not your user.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

i don't think the target audience of this app wants to think about being a "dead man", or dead anything, when this app would be useful. It's a fun nerd term, but if your life is actually in danger it's far from where your mind wants to wander, even though it's technically correct.

>a fun nerd term

It absolutely isn't. Lots of things have dead man switches, like locomotives and heavy machinery, and they're named as such.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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My problem with any "Dead man switch" is the fact that none of these services seem to survive.

Also, can you please write somewhere on the website what's your privacy policy? Is everything encrypted? if so, with what?

By it's nature this kind of service will hold very sensitive information.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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post #45

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What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

Your target audience substantially isn’t men, and would probably be put off by the “dead” part too. Since I’ll bet your target audience doesn’t already know what a “dead mans switch” is, you get a chance to come up with a better targeted term.

Technically this is a niche subset of my target audience.

As I wrote in the article, the ideal scenario was that I had two separate apps where it has a completely different name, but due to Apple restrictions I was forced to name it Dead Man (actually suggested by Apple themselves when I spoke to them over the phone discussing this issue) as the name has to cover both parts of the functionality even though the target audiences are completely different.

But this is not really going to be used by abuse victims of their own accord, it's more likely to be picked up by charities that need to set up a robust support network. It's a fine balance of SEO, networking, naming relevance, and sensitivity that I am tuned into.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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post #45

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What makes you say that? It operates exactly like a dead man's switch.

How is that not gobsmackingly obvious to you??! Look at the words you just typed. There are millions of other innocuous games whose names don't invoke death, men, capital punishment, gallows, prison, nooses, lynching, strangulation, hanging, suicide, murder, etc. For God's sake, pick one of those, instead of "hangman" and "dead man's switch". Might as well call it "Kill My Abusive Boyfriend". The whole point is NOT t…

I completely agree with you, but as I explained in the article I am limited by Apple's restrictions. I could get around this by side loading the app but then I make the barrier to entry higher.

If you can believe it originally this was a 2048 game (see the android version) but Apple suggested they would only approve the app if it was a hang man game and I named it 'Dead Man'. I wish I were joking. You have to understand that this functionality did not exist before today and my target audience previously were travellers, students, journalists, and privacy conscious people so I'm stuck trying to be relevant to multiple sets of audiences and a technical term that has 'dead' and 'man' in the name.

Re: Show HN: Discreet dead man's switch for victims of domestic abuse

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post #29

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Constructive feedback: All the copy on both your website and in the app store assumes that one knows what a dead man's switch is in general, and what it means in this context in particular (ie, what you wrote above). I had to use wikipedia to even (sort of) understand what you were selling.

It's also an absolute gobsmackingly terrible term to use for this application.

It's memorable and could be a plausibly "cute" name for an actual hang man game. Still, it might set off alarms of the abuser who's already constantly on the lookout for emotional/physical defection by their victim.

I agree, too, the target audience might not know what a dead man switch is nor do you want them to think this is a last resort and literally only useful when they are dead. I'd market it as a "fail-safe switch" or "silent alarm." Maybe change the name to "Dead Spell Man" which sounds like something a non-English developer might call hang man and diffuses the "I want to kill my husband" kind of connotation.

Otherwise, the idea and intention of this app make it a really, really worthy thing to put out in the world.

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