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Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by baq »

hardtokill wrote: post #25

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively Forcing uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace migra…

The US on a federal level 'has done nothing and is all out of ideas' as the memes go, except perhaps suppressing states to do their own testing. This is in a way inverse of what happened in China and arguably worse because in China when the federal-level authority caught wind of the scale of the problem they dropped the hammer so hard the whole world is still ringing. The US on the other hand knows there's an epidemic in progress and the CDC flip-flops from 'haven't been to china, won't get tested' to 'the virus is endemic, won't get tested' in 48h.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

hardtokill wrote: post #16

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively funneling uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace mig…

How did China "sabotage" Italy & South Korea? Italy & South Korea had ample time to ban travel to & from China, given how China was handling Coronavirus.

They chose not to.

China is free to make decisions handing an epidemic. We are free to criticize how they handle it. We were free to implement travel restrictions. We chose not to.

China didn't strike us with a bioweapon. We did nothing to stop a novel virus from spreading, and it spread. That's what happens.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by CraigJPerry »

tunesmith wrote: post #45
octonion wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is literally doing the exact same thing right now.

I'd really like to start seeing less of this sort of comment on Hacker News. It's not even close to literally true.

What part?

“This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks”

That’s the same as the USA refusing to test everyone in sufficient quantities right? South Korea is testing 10k per day, has the US completed even 10k tests yet?

“let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city”

That’s every state apart from perhaps 1 section on NY city and small parts of Seattle.

“doctored numbers”

Thats the refusing to test thing again right? There’s states with reportedly zero cases. Yeah right.

“then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries”

That’s the current right wing press stating this is all baloney from the dems for their benefit.

I’ve given a point by point refutation to the best of my ability, care to respond thoughtfully?

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by u10 »

hardtokill wrote: post #25

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively Forcing uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace migra…

This reads like 'Yellow Peril' nonsense.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by fountainofage »

lutorm wrote: post #46
core-questions wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a net good effect in terms of resiliency, in the long term, and may also result in moving some manufacturing jobs back to the US. As the standard of living rises in China, labour costs will increase until eventually the only way it will really be cheaper to do things over there is because of either better logistics, or lax environmental/labour laws that enable shortcuts we can't/won't take here. The latter is…

This is a net good effect in terms of resiliency, in the long term... Well, this is the problem, right. Resiliency only pays off when there's a crisis, otherwise it's a net cost. So if you're outcompeted by the other non-resilient companies before that crisis happens, it doesn't help. I feel like societal resiliency needs to be rewarded (in many contexts, utilities are obvious but also food supply, etc) but I don't k…

This is part of the thinking behind tarriffs - make that resiliency more competitive.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by Spooky23 »

throwaway_Bees wrote: post #15
bdcravens wrote: post #7

I had a phone stolen a couple of weeks ago, and initially I was trying to buy a new phone outright (ended up filing a claim and having my new one overnighted, but lack of SMS access would have prevented me from doing my job, hence the urgency). None of the local Verizon stores had any phones (11 Pro Max) in stock (they explicitly said it was due to China supply chain), but Best Buy did.

>None of the local Verizon stores had any phones (11 Pro Max) in stock (they explicitly said it was due to China supply chain) That may be true...but it may be just as likely they are minimizing their own inventory to keep their own costs down/cash on hand, which is not something they would freely tell their own employees or customers.

Verizon will hold inventory for priority customers once the parts are constrained upstream. Your state/local .gov and some medical users will get priority access to inventory.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by jacob019 »

KarlKemp wrote: post #58
hardtokill wrote: post #25

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively Forcing uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace migra…

It isn’t China’s fault that this disease happened to emerge in the country. And judging by what we see from other countries, their handling of it seems to be at least as good as mosts’, not even taking into account that countries like US had two months extra to prepare. So maybe chill on the nationalism (and the exclamation marks)

There were delays and suppression of vital news, but overall their response has been far more robust than our own. As for blame of the emergence, one has wonder, were it not for China's open market trade of wild animals, would this virus be with us now?

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by throwawa_54321 »

hardtokill wrote: post #25

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively Forcing uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace migra…

Why is this kind of comment allowed on HN? I see no difference between this and a comment a person paid by some government/organisation hostile to China would write.

This person is spewing nationalistic hate without any sources and arguments. Almost nothing in the comment is falsifiable.

Can dang elaborate on this issue? Are comments of this kind usually removed or not? I'm thinking of writing a browser extension which would remove those from new and problematic users. I come to HN to avoid this stuff.

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by Animats »

hardtokill wrote: post #25

We really need to get our factories out of China. This is a country that hid the coronavirus case for 2-3 weeks, let 5 million Wuhan residents leave the city, doctored numbers, then most recently had government press try to spin the disease as if it didn’t come out of Wuhan, but rather somewhere other countries!! And they are actively Forcing uigher population into crippled factories in eastern China to replace migra…

It's starting to look like China will be getting back to more or less normal production much sooner than the US. 500 million people were put in lockdown, and it worked.[1] New cases in Wuhan have dropped to nearly zero, and restrictions are being lifted while surveillance continues.

The US approach is just to slow transmission down a little without impacting daily life too much. That just spreads the epidemic out over time. The US may spend a year or two in the current state, until there is a vaccine.

[1] http://archive.is/qWmFw

Re: Coronavirus has disrupted supply chains for nearly 75% of U.S. companies

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Post by baq »

lutorm wrote: post #46
core-questions wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a net good effect in terms of resiliency, in the long term, and may also result in moving some manufacturing jobs back to the US. As the standard of living rises in China, labour costs will increase until eventually the only way it will really be cheaper to do things over there is because of either better logistics, or lax environmental/labour laws that enable shortcuts we can't/won't take here. The latter is…

This is a net good effect in terms of resiliency, in the long term... Well, this is the problem, right. Resiliency only pays off when there's a crisis, otherwise it's a net cost. So if you're outcompeted by the other non-resilient companies before that crisis happens, it doesn't help. I feel like societal resiliency needs to be rewarded (in many contexts, utilities are obvious but also food supply, etc) but I don't k…

taxes and tariffs are there to shape the market, not to make entrepreneurs poorer.
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