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Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Lie About Coronavirus

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Re: Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Lie About Coronavirus

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Post by Fnoord »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #25
tenant wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly you are probably correct. The Nordics are the perfect cousins the rest of us Europeans keep being unfavourably compared to. We have to keep digging!

If you’re really looking: Norway makes a significant chunk of money from oil exports, contributing to (and profiting from) what is arguably the greatest threat facing our civilisation today. Finland, on the other hand.. much respect :)

You might find some more ticking timebombs (seamines?) waiting to be uncovered in Norway's fishing industry.

IIRC, fishing industry and oil industry were 2 major reasons why they did not want to join EU.

Then again, I'm from NL. Same with our fishing industry, and Shell has done some naughty things in the past, too.

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Post by inanutshellus »

hannob wrote: post #50

This is of course all horrible, but I seriously wonder who at this point thinks: "Let's book a trip on a cruise ship right now!"

Companies like this are worried about more than the lack of new sign-ups. They're also trying to keep existing business, such as folk that booked their dream vacation a year ago and are now calling up to cancel or re-schedule it.

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Post by eumenides1 »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #3

As a Norwegian I want to point out that there are no Norwegian owners of Norwegian Cruise Lines. It is to my knowledge fully American owned. It was Norwegian long time ago. Sorry just don’t want to get us associated with such extremely unethical behavior. Frankly it ought to be punishable in the justice system.

That will teach you to sell your business to America/International conglomerates! /s

I wonder if a country can force a multinational to stop using a country name because of misrepresentation. i.e Norway (tourism?) forces Norwegian Cruises to stop using its name.

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Post by choward »

duxup wrote: post #10
eCa wrote: post #6

This is about Norwegian Cruise Line, and not the airline Norwegian.

Alternative confusion: I assumed it was a weirdly worded title about the country... but then I wondered why they had a 'Sales Team'.

I just assumed it was a person from Norway. I can't believe the title hasn't been changed yet.

Re: Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Lie About Coronavirus

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Post by barry-cotter »

dboreham wrote: post #26
sonicxxg wrote: post #7

This recent coronavirus outbreak has been very enlightening, cause it gaves us more information on why cruises are a bad idea, and perfect for an epidemic. The same air is recirculating among all cabins. However, it does not explain why we haven't heard of flu outbreaks in cruises before this coronavirus. It seems cruises are perfect for the proliferation of any airborne virus.

I'm interested in what the known spreading instances on ships and at conferences tell us about how the virus is transmitted. As I understand it, the message from CDC etc is, roughly: It's transmitted through droplets coughed or sneezed from one person that then end up through common touching of not-cleaned surfaces and thence into the body through face-touching. My gut feel is that if that's how transmission occurs,…

> My gut feel is that if that's how transmission occurs, we shouldn't see infection spread between large numbers of people who were simply present in the same room as each other for a few days.

People cough and sneeze all the time, even healthy people, and the droplets of saliva from that land on surfaces that other people touch and then they touch their faces, rub their eyes and pick their noses. So the virus will spread in the air and also by transmission onto mucus membranes from your hands. It’s not airborne but there is droplet transmission. The danger is relatively small if people don’t touch, like shaking hands, hugging or kissing, and if surfaces are wiped down with disinfectants regularly and everyone washes their hands but that does not describe most people’s experience of being in a room with other people for a few days.

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Post by program_whiz »

Meta point: do we have to accept deception as a necessary part of sales? It seems strange that we accept deception and manipulation as necessary ingredients in the market, and that its on the buyer when they "get duped".

But couldn't we have a standard where literally anything anyone says to a customer must be true, or was not false to the knowledge of the person saying it? Scammy warranties, timeshares, and other "gotcha" products would be a thing of the past. To make money, providing honest value with a product that matches the expectation of the customer would be required.

In these situations, cruise lines will of course lose money in the short term. But the alternative is that we accept the risk to human life to people taking these cruises, all in the name of short-term capital gain. What if instead we had to either "eat the loss", or invest in true safety (we can take 50% of normal passenger load, add these safety measures, these cleaning routines, etc).

Re: Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Lie About Coronavirus

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Post by jnty »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #66

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Wikipedia seems to suggest this passage is entirely correct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019

"Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),"

and it is backed up by a WHO factsheet https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

Re: Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Lie About Coronavirus

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Post by spuz »

program_whiz wrote: post #68

Meta point: do we have to accept deception as a necessary part of sales? It seems strange that we accept deception and manipulation as necessary ingredients in the market, and that its on the buyer when they "get duped". But couldn't we have a standard where literally anything anyone says to a customer must be true, or was not false to the knowledge of the person saying it? Scammy warranties, timeshares, and other "g…

That standard exists already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescission_(contract_law)
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