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Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by happytoexplain »

hyperbovine wrote: post #7
livealife wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...

"Blunt" just comes off as puerile. Why should I take you seriously when you talk like a teenager.

This is totally alien to me. I could understand - though not relate - if you were offended, or just thought the use of the word "fuck" here was awkward or tonally inconsistent. But "puerile" and "why should I take you seriously" and "you talk like a teenager" is an absolutely ridiculous reaction to me. I've honestly not met a single person in all my life who reacted like that to a superfluous curse word.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by crimsonalucard »

icebraining wrote: post #53
crimsonalucard wrote: post #14

>Disclaimer: The content of this website does not constitute medical advice. The information provided above is meant to be a suggestion for concerned individuals to follow a loose set of guidelines based on best practices and anecdotal evidence to protect themselves and their loved ones. There is no guarantee or scientific evidence that following the mentioned guidelines will lead to a reduction in new infections or…

> If you have symptoms that feel like death I am telling you to discount this persons' advice, get yourself to the doctor because you may very well be dying. No, as the advice you cite subsequently says, you should NOT get yourself to a doctor, you should call them. Which is consistent with staying the fuck home.

Buddy if you're dying, go to the doctor, but make sure to call first.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by happytoexplain »

__ryan__ wrote: post #9
livealife wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...

seriouslyjuststayhome.com is just as blunt and not as edgy/cringe-y.

>edgy/cringe-y

It's upsetting to me to see these "meme" adjectives used sincerely on HN.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by crimsonalucard »

elcomet wrote: post #55
crimsonalucard wrote: post #14

>Disclaimer: The content of this website does not constitute medical advice. The information provided above is meant to be a suggestion for concerned individuals to follow a loose set of guidelines based on best practices and anecdotal evidence to protect themselves and their loved ones. There is no guarantee or scientific evidence that following the mentioned guidelines will lead to a reduction in new infections or…

The advice on the site is "stay at home if you're not sick (or not dangerously sick)". Of course it's not "stay home even if you're dying".

The site needs to mention this.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by cabraca »

ldeangelis wrote: post #20
Someone1234 wrote: post #6

Seems like focusing on blaming individuals rather than: - Employers don't allow telecommuting. - Employers with draconian sick leave policies. - No paid sick leave for the majority of jobs (and or strict limits). - Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 (Vs. a common cold). Which is significant with e.g. Walmarts new policies which ONLY allow Covid-19 paid sick leave. Ultimately we set up a system whe…

> Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 This is a huge one, at least in France. A friend recently tried to get tested because he was coughing heavily and had a fever. His doctor asked if he went to Italy or China recently, he said no, his doctor replied "Well then you don't have it." and that was the end of it.

Same in Germany. An aquaintance of mine had a fever after a trip to Singapore. He called the hotline, the local health department, the local clinic. nobody helped him, always directed him to call someone else. After 5 hours a doctor called and told him "its just the flu, get a bath and rest". No testing, no quarantine, nothing. He's in self-quarantine now...

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by crimsonalucard »

mnw21cam wrote: post #51
crimsonalucard wrote: post #14

>Disclaimer: The content of this website does not constitute medical advice. The information provided above is meant to be a suggestion for concerned individuals to follow a loose set of guidelines based on best practices and anecdotal evidence to protect themselves and their loved ones. There is no guarantee or scientific evidence that following the mentioned guidelines will lead to a reduction in new infections or…

> ...get yourself to the doctor... Every single bit of advice we have been handed out the last few weeks is trying to get the message out - Do not physically go to your doctor if you suspect you have this illness. Do not turn up at hospital. Stay at home and telephone the doctors to inform them of what you think you have, and to get advice on what to do next. If you are feeling OK, telephone the non-emergency numbers…

Where on the site does it say telephone your doctor to determine whether or not you should go? Nothing. Horrible site.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by mcv »

jplayer01 wrote: post #29
ldeangelis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 This is a huge one, at least in France. A friend recently tried to get tested because he was coughing heavily and had a fever. His doctor asked if he went to Italy or China recently, he said no, his doctor replied "Well then you don't have it." and that was the end of it.

I don't understand. How are doctors this stupid? We have obvious communal transmission in France (and other countries). And if nobody is fucking testing for it, the doctor can't fucking say that you can't have it. What happened to evidence-based medicine?

I guess the test shortage is not limited to the US?

When my son got a cold, I also preferred to get him tested, but couldn't. Soon it became pretty obvious it was just a cold, but still, without a negative test for him, I'm not allowed to come to the office.

It's pretty clear that it's spreading faster than they can keep track of by merely tracking who you had contact with. I can understand they don't want to waste time or resources on people who obviously have a simple cold, but I'd rather they did test people who report flu cases.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by kryogen1c »

jplayer01 wrote: post #29
ldeangelis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 This is a huge one, at least in France. A friend recently tried to get tested because he was coughing heavily and had a fever. His doctor asked if he went to Italy or China recently, he said no, his doctor replied "Well then you don't have it." and that was the end of it.

I don't understand. How are doctors this stupid? We have obvious communal transmission in France (and other countries). And if nobody is fucking testing for it, the doctor can't fucking say that you can't have it. What happened to evidence-based medicine?

> How are doctors this stupid? ... the doctor can't fucking say that you can't have it. What happened to evidence-based medicine?

You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. When something 100x less severe than the coronavirus happens, there is an ABSOLUTE AVALANCHE of people calling in on the full spectrum of sickness, from psychosomatic, to actually sick but with the wrong thing, to actually sick with the right thing but minor cases, to people that will actually die if not seen but cant make their case clear. The reality of the situation is that without instant, free, over-the-phone test results, this is a reasonable response from oversaturated medical systems.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by dpau »

mumblemumble wrote: post #49
dpau wrote: post #34

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it reminds me of climate change, pushing blame onto individuals while corporations and governments continue business as usual. sure, recycle that bottle. quarantine yourself. but in the grand scheme of things it makes very little difference compared to if corporations and governments took the actions necessary.

They won't do it for no reason at all, though. They will do it in response to public pressure. Which means that change inevitably has to start with individuals. Trying to insist that it's corporations' and governments' job to make the first move is only useful in situations where assigning blame is more important than dealing with the problem. Perhaps related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness

as an example, two weeks ago i made sure i had enough supplies to last a month. started taking precautions. social distancing, hand washing, etc. doing the best i can. then co-worker takes a coronavirus vacation due to discounted tickets. others are driving in from around the country for spring break. i've done all i can, but it's almost meaningless because others don't understand the risk and the government hasn't taken steps to limit movement and test.

Re: A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic

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Post by __ryan__ »

happytoexplain wrote: post #63
__ryan__ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seriouslyjuststayhome.com is just as blunt and not as edgy/cringe-y.

>edgy/cringe-y It's upsetting to me to see these "meme" adjectives used sincerely on HN.

Can you expand on this? What about these adjectives are a meme?

To me, the “tech person gives advice while brazenly cursing to show how serious and authoritative they are” is a meme.

Edit: I just learned that “cringey” is not In most dictionaries yet (which explains why spell check is saying it’s not a word). That said, the term fills a void where no other term conveniently comes to mind.

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