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Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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I've uninstalled lots of apps when they've sent coupons via notifications. Notifications are to notify me about things I need to act on. They are not a marketing channel. So, yes.

If you had the option to block the marketing notifications but still receive the important ones, would you do that?

If I could set the default for all apps to "block ad notifications", then yes.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Throwing a "This app wants to send you notifications" dialog as soon as you launch an app for the first time, should be banned.

That would be pointless and regressive.

There are a lot of apps that are basically made of notifications. When I install Signal I want it to immediately ask me if sending notifications is ok so that I can say yes.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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I'm not an expert in ad affairs. With this information on the table, consider the following: I subscribe to a "price alert" for a product in my sellers app. The price gets triggered, and because there's a lot of demand for this item, I have to be fast. This, for me, would justify the "push notification". But, would this also be considered an "ad"? From the definition of the word "advertisement"[1], which says it's "a…

If there is no way to harass people with notifications for "price alerts", there will also be no incentive to create artificial pricing systems with sudden "promotions", meant to hijack users' attention and cognitive sovereignty. Don't fall for the tricks. Think about the systems your are engaging with all the way to the end, and consider if you are being manipulated. This is an environment where it pays to be parano…

artificial pricing systems existed before notifications

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've uninstalled lots of apps when they've sent coupons via notifications. Notifications are to notify me about things I need to act on. They are not a marketing channel. So, yes.

If you had the option to block the marketing notifications but still receive the important ones, would you do that?

That depends. A business that uses notifications for marketing isn't one I want to do business with. If there's a decent competitor I'll switch. If there isn't then I'll decide to begrudgingly put up with it (and probably complain a bit on social media) or to do without it.

So far I've never put up with it and always either switched to a competitor or abandoned the whole thing.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

I kind of like the all or nothing approach as far as "annoy me and I'll uninstall your app" goes.

Now the potential loss for the app maker for being annoying is far lower.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.

Sure there is. Walk into a grocery store, get a push notification for some sale items. There are also plenty of annoying things developers can do with it. I'll turn those off, or more likely uninstall the app.

That's....Not beneficial, at least in terms of what is going on behind the scenes.

1: App knows your location - most likely is profiting from that

2: App can see how often you visit $place, all for the cost of a few 'sale' items.

3: More extensive profiling can possibly occur, depending on what data the OS allows you to access.

As apposed to:

1: Walk to shop, no smartphone, see discounts inside shop.

There's 0 reason this information needs to be presented via any form of 'notification'. It could literally be done by $shop.com/discounteditems.txt.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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After Catalina's increase in ostentatious nagging for the supposed sake of security, something they made fun of Microsoft for during Windows Vista [0], I really hope there isn't some paradigm shift inside Apple to become just as bad regarding alerts and popups.

[0] https://i.imgur.com/442C7Ij.jpg (slide from an ancient WWDC)

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Throwing a "This app wants to send you notifications" dialog as soon as you launch an app for the first time, should be banned.

At the very least, there should be a system-wide option to decline all new notification prompts.
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