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HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like vbezhenar cares about being woken up at night by a noisy server, in that case maximum power draw regardless of load is what matters.

Why do you expect high load at night?

Have a look at the crontabs that ship with Ubuntu.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#62

Can you stick any hard drives you want in there, or do they have to be HP drives?

HPE will probably tell you that you need to use their drives. We have been putting in non-HPE hard drives so far without issue. More on that in the full test.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #29

I'm disappointed that HPE picked Intel over AMD EPYC Embedded 3000 series for this micro server line.

Same here. After Intel's decision to not release microcode updates for the Intel processors I was using (earlier core i7 models) - rendering them useless - I'm never buying Intel again.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

You should be able to stick an M.2 adapter card in the PCIe riser https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SQZBSCN

Not if you need to use the PCIe for adding any kind of decent networking though. :(

Still, USB 3.2 probably means some kind of decently reliable USB stick would probably work instead.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #34

I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps. The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise. With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microser…

The Microserver line is aimed at corporations who want to send out a local office server that they will maintain remotely; the local office might not have a rack or any other infrastructure besides a router-switch combo. Size is important. HP custom builds the case and the motherboard: repair is expected to take the form of swapping the whole box, possibly sliding the disks in and out. If you don't care about size, y…

Wouldn't iLO be even more important if the server is meant to be deployed at a site with no technical staff?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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I don't like: * Pentium G5420 has 54W TDP. That's a lot. It'll be noisy under load. I'd prefer something like Celeron G4932E with 27W. I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. * iLO enablement kit is $100 and need physical delivery. No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer. Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a gre…

I went down the rabbit hole of low TDP Xeon drives when I was last building a home FreeNAS box. It makes sense in theory to get a CPU that doesn't get as hot, so will need less cooling, but I think TDP is more about the total / max power used, not average. I would suggest a CPU with more cores it can keep sleeping for most of operation, but available when you need it.

The Xeon E3-1270's in my R210 II's are 80W TDP, the Xeon E5-2450L's I have loaded in my R320 and R420 are 70W - guess which makes more noise? The 2450L's, of course!

TDP is a guideline for cooling, it says nothing about noise, or even power draw. The former is a factor of the cooling system you have paired, the latter can be completely arbitrary as long as the chip can average itself out to the rated heat dissipation (which is what the TDP measures).

If you want a quiet home server, get a tower, my ThinkServer TD340 was hella quiet even with two Sandy Bridge-EN chips installed. Beyond that it doesn't really matter, hell, swap out the CPU cooler and case fans with Noctua ones to go the extra mile.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Microserver line is aimed at corporations who want to send out a local office server that they will maintain remotely; the local office might not have a rack or any other infrastructure besides a router-switch combo. Size is important. HP custom builds the case and the motherboard: repair is expected to take the form of swapping the whole box, possibly sliding the disks in and out. If you don't care about size, y…

Wouldn't iLO be even more important if the server is meant to be deployed at a site with no technical staff?

iLO is available with an optional kit, though honestly you'd be better off getting the ML30 if you were buying HPE gear for a remote location.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a powerful microserver, you might want to consider SuperMicro's E300-9D-8CN8TP. It's tiny, comes with an 8-core Xeon D, has an M.2 slot, 4 x 10GbE and is even ESXi certified.

It's also a lot more expensive

4x10gb Ethernet has to add what, a few hundred dollars if they are Intel ports?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#69
post #5

Why do server hardware need to look cool? Do ppl buy hardware based on the looks!? So many metal cases with razer sharp corners to cut yourself on, making it weight a ton. And screws. And more compartments, like a Russian doll. Making it cost a ton. All you need is a wireframe made in wood or plastic, a bare board, and a fan.

Well, 1) Even water-cooled equipment uses forced air cooling to cool the water heat exchanger (unless you happen to own water rights to a river, in which case we have a different discussion). A lot of the highest mark-up goes to bespoke on-prem data centers (e.g. hospitals, labs) where the air isn't necessarily cleaned to spec. I would therefore think you want some stuff between the air and the CPU heat exchanger to…

> 3) If you're making a grill, it's gotta look like something. > 4) You want something that approaches a consistent theme for your accessories: monitors, keyboards, mice, printers, etc. Even without the logos, you can match the HP mouse to the HP keyboard and HP server. Same for Dell, Lenovo, etc. > 5) I find the big manufacturers try to slowly evolve their design over the years. You can walk into a place (hospital, power plant, ship, whatever) and quickly identify it as a Dell shop or an HP shop.

This is one of the purposes of a Design Language -- it ensures users of your products can identify what does and doesn't go with your products. And it also ensures that if a user has used one of your products, the signifiers for your other products are immediately apparent to them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_language

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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I don't like: * Pentium G5420 has 54W TDP. That's a lot. It'll be noisy under load. I'd prefer something like Celeron G4932E with 27W. I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. * iLO enablement kit is $100 and need physical delivery. No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer. Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a gre…

> No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer.

I guess that's why

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