PSA: if you are not already using it, and you care about the future of humanity, then give Firefox a(nother) go. Its actually quite good these days.
Its still not great though :( (relatively speaking)
Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#62If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…
These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…
Okay, I get it, but in that case the marketing is doing engineering a disservice when they implement needlessly aggressive and redundant advertising of Chrome on properties and user agents which ought to be almost 100% identical functionality in Chromium based (if not web standards compliant) browsers. To put it plainly I can understand if Google promotes Chrome when there is a genuine technical feature on one of their properties that needs Chrome to function, but in most cases this is not so, which means the marketing is not for technical reasons but merely to capture more market-share for its own ends, which would make sense if they were selling their browser but that too is not the case, so why? I mean, the ultimate aim of all companies are to grow and profit, but the playing field is neither infinite nor the audience stupid, so they should take care not to keep damaging their reputation.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.
Another thing: every single time I use Google to search for a Firefox extension such as uBlock Origin or anything else that is available on both browsers, the equivalent Chrome extension is consistently the first result. It knows my user agent. It knows very well that the Firefox extension is the relevant result. This is 100% done out of malice.
I really, really, suspect that the Google search isn't even close to that smart, that active malice comes in. Pure statistics would put the Chrome version of something higher than the Firefox version due to sheer weight of user-base.
Nor are user-agents in any way reliable.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…
> All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. Is it though? It blows my mind how Google gets a pass on stuff like this. Way back when MS got slapped for monopolistic practices the key argument was that by bundling IE with Windows they were leveraging their dominant position in desktop OSs to gain an unfair advantage in another industry (browsers/web, via IE). Meanwhile Google leverages their posi…
Or bundling Chrome and Android
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#65I really really hope Microsoft can push for a sort of Chromium-foundation.
Google owning the chromium development is what is going to make any sort of protocol-level privacy impossible, while Microsoft doesn't care much about internet add revenue.
It's really really concerning to have an internet ad company have this much control over the web.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#66It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…
>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.
I'm on the latest version of Firefox and G Suite mail is quite performant indeed. I don't see where you're getting this.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another thing: every single time I use Google to search for a Firefox extension such as uBlock Origin or anything else that is available on both browsers, the equivalent Chrome extension is consistently the first result. It knows my user agent. It knows very well that the Firefox extension is the relevant result. This is 100% done out of malice.
I really, really, suspect that the Google search isn't even close to that smart, that active malice comes in. Pure statistics would put the Chrome version of something higher than the Firefox version due to sheer weight of user-base. Nor are user-agents in any way reliable.
Nor are user-agents in any way reliable.
Reliable enough to constantly break, penalize and nag me for using Firefox in other ways, apparently. This happens and is well-documented, not a conspiracy theory.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…
> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).
Netscape Now!
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…
it's kinda not fair to say that a large org should have enough internal coordination to align incentives and coordinate between different teams? It sounds reasonable to start with, but really gets to the whole making-excuses-for-them kind of thing if you think harder, no?
Google is very bottom-up and hence super uncoordinated, that is a part of who they are. Leaders sets some vague goals, but lower rung people still have a lot of freedom in how they go about things. The last time Google did some large scale coordination we got Google+, I don't think they want to try to repeat that anytime soon...
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#70It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…
>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.
I love Firefox, but it has had an especially bad habit for years of perf tanking across version upgrades. You should try a full uninstall/reinstall along with a full delete of preferences and cache before assuming that Google has anything to do with Gmail perf on Firefox.