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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by lazyasciiart »

j7ake wrote: post #51
lazyasciiart wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not beside the point when the point is "he was trying to make non-americans feel bad".

Indeed the original tweet could have been more US-centric than I originally read (the replies came from all over the world, I pointed out Nigeria because there was one reply from there) My main point wasn’t that he was trying to make non Americans bad but rather I don’t believe his premise that he was disclosing his salary information for a greater good of helping minorities and disadvantaged people. Again I support…

There is a lot of data showing that salary differences for women and minorities are reduced in environments where there is more available information about everyone's salaries, to the point where I thought it was generally taken for granted. I absolutely believe that the poster was sincere in his intent.

If you haven't considered this before, here's an article that covers some of how it can help: https://www.bustle.com/p/sharing-salary-information-at-work-...

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by agumonkey »

senordevnyc wrote: post #32
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

The interview must be weird after that. Candidate is now confident he should have more but the recruiter is still trying to extort him to a point.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by senordevnyc »

theredlion wrote: post #54
senordevnyc wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence for this? Have you seen data covering hiring evals for many different candidates? Or is this just your own bias telling a story based on anecdotes and rumors? I’m not saying this never happens, but it’s much easier to tell yourself that the reason you didn’t get a job was because of some unfair factor beyond your control than to admit maybe you just failed to meet the bar.

I know a lot of people. This is based on conversations with those involved in the hiring process at various companies. They are proud of it and see it as not only a plus, but a social benefit, which causes people to be very boastfully vocal in social situations Very strange time we live in. I do agree with your second paragraph, but this isn't regarding anything that has happened to me personally

Oh, we’re trading anecdotes? Well, I know a lot of people, including many involved in hiring at various large tech companies, including myself.

I’m sure they have programs to encourage diversity in hiring, but I seriously doubt they’re telling you they “blatantly discriminate” against white men and that white men have to perform much better in an interview in order to be hired. That’s an incomplete and simplistic story.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by badfrog »

theredlion wrote: post #54
senordevnyc wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence for this? Have you seen data covering hiring evals for many different candidates? Or is this just your own bias telling a story based on anecdotes and rumors? I’m not saying this never happens, but it’s much easier to tell yourself that the reason you didn’t get a job was because of some unfair factor beyond your control than to admit maybe you just failed to meet the bar.

I know a lot of people. This is based on conversations with those involved in the hiring process at various companies. They are proud of it and see it as not only a plus, but a social benefit, which causes people to be very boastfully vocal in social situations Very strange time we live in. I do agree with your second paragraph, but this isn't regarding anything that has happened to me personally

> They are proud of it and see it as not only a plus, but a social benefit, which causes people to be very boastfully vocal in social situations

If the companies are proud of it, wouldn't they be boasting in the media? I've never heard about anything like this.

What I have heard of is lowering the bar for minorities to be offered an interview and educational opportunities offered to only minorities.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by senordevnyc »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #46
senordevnyc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape f…

> cost-of-living-adjusted salaries for big tech in SF, Seattle, and NYC are higher than anywhere else in the country ... if you do not have children. Consider how much you would have to pay for a modest 2000 square feet house in SF or NYC.

I do have a child. And she goes to a $55k / year private school. My point still stands.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by dmitriid »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #33
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

That is a very surprising interpretation to me. What made you think the author was thinking about anyone outside the US?

That's probably exactly the point. They disclose salary info in a global forum without any context. For example, to begin with: what country is this? What city? Is this before or after tax? If this is before tax, how much do you pay in taxes? etc. etc. etc.

People joining in continue this trend, often with quips like "I make $145k a year, I'm underpaid". WTF? How is that underpaid? Oh? You probably mean "underpaid in a very specific area in the US"?

The resulting "developer salaries" is a dick-measuring contest with no context or purpose.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by badfrog »

tnolet wrote: post #35
j7ake wrote: post #28

I always support disclosing salary information but I found it silly that the original tweet was prefaced with some greater goal of helping minorities or disadvantaged people. The subtext was clearly a flex to show how good developer salaries are in the USA, and by disguising it as doing some social good the tweet came off as distasteful. A person in Nigeria is not being helped by the person in US disclosing their sal…

Yes. This is the same vibe I got. A dick measuring contest between the 1% SV based software developers. But wrapped in a “help the world” message. The information is fascinating though. And we could have misread the subtext.

That's not fair. NYC-based software developers also like to measure our junk.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by badfrog »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #45
tnolet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but it’s kinda besides the point. Using Twitter for this makes it global by default.

It's not beside the point when the point is "he was trying to make non-americans feel bad".

> the point is "he was trying to make non-americans feel bad".

I think it's much more likely that an American simply didn't bother to think that non-Americans would see the post.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by mpeg »

myth_drannon wrote: post #27

I wonder how many people are going to get fired for their tweets. I see some very famous names severely underpaid, curious if they are going to get a bump in their salary or get fired.

Right? TIL I get paid more than Dan Abramov even considering Facebook RSUs
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