Hi, I'm one of the creators of turtleocracy. I'll be responding to questions below.
Turtleocracy
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Re: Turtleocracy
#62This seems like an overly-complex derivation of Isaiah Berlin's concept of The Hedgehog and the Fox : Berlin...divides writers and thinkers into two categories: hedgehogs, who view the world through the lens of a single defining idea (examples given include Plato, Lucretius, Dante Alighieri, Blaise Pascal, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Henrik Ibsen, Marcel Proust and Fernand…
Venkat Rao thinks it's more the opposite, that turtle is a interesting refactoring of Berlin
Re: Turtleocracy
#63I thought this would be fluff, but this is a genuinely interesting schema for modelling research-type organizations that I haven’t seen before. (If you think it’s “just X”, the page does spend some time clearly compare-and-contrasting with anything you might think to analogize it to. It’s not quite any existing thing.) It probably is consultingware of some form, but I don’t mind scavenging insight from a predatory si…
Yes, right, Turtleocracy is partly modeled on PARC, Bell Labs, etc. But I don't begin to know how to answer this question about "how much their working-like-this contributed to their success or lack thereof" -- are you an organizational sociologist? If you have some methodological ideas here, I'd love to hear them.
I'm not sure where people are getting the consultingware idea. We don't have any consulting relationships with businesses at all. Guess our copy is misleading somewhere?
Re: Turtleocracy
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's called a coaching scam
It's also called "management consulting." An article was on the top of HN the other day where the George Washington University was getting some, and apparently in that case the top decision-makers were treated to Disneyland Resort. What is this group offering compared to that?
I'm not sure where people are getting the consultingware idea. We don't have any consulting relationships with businesses at all. Guess our copy is misleading somewhere?
Re: Turtleocracy
#65These mental models can be an interesting perspective, but please take them with a grain of salt. The more branding, marketing, cute names, and emojies applied to a mental model, the more you should be suspicious. This "Turtleocracy" model might help bring some insight or inspiration in certain challenging environments, but be careful about assuming you're in a "Turtleocracy" or stereotyping people into "Rabbit" or "…
Strongly agree!
Re: Turtleocracy
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? Browsing through this site a bit completely turned me off Notion... like, the page is so slow to load, as if the rendering was happening on the client side, not the server side... Can't they just generate & cache the HTML and serve it? Edit: they also hijack Ctrl-click which I consider extra shitty and non-user-friendly.
They also hijack the arrow keys, which is basically heresy.
I agree the web interface is absolutely horrible. I use the desktop app. They allow you to export html from there and preserve the nested document structure (the main feature imo). I've seen writeups about people building nocode apps on notion so I think their idea might be to create an ecosystem where they can ignore respected conventions.
Re: Turtleocracy
#67Just imagine what a corrupted group of turtle + rabbit + bird could achieve in such an organization.
Yes, for sure. This is a known weakness, mentioned on the page. We hope to test ways to make turtleocracy robust against sociopathic conspiracies and fake turtles over the next year.