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Try a broader nib - with a larger surface it’s less scratchy. Also your nib probably needs a smoothing and tune up too! There’s many resources online to learn how to do that. In short very fine abrasives.
All my nibs are failing, please share any trusted guides that aren't just cleaning the reservoir with soap and water.
Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
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Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#62As someone that still fills a notebook roughly every three months, these pens are actually pretty nifty. Most regular ballpoints aren't ergonomic at all (I don't know how to describe it, but they take way too much force to write with and that leads to hand cramps in a long writing session). Rollerballs are way easier on the hand, and I tipped over to buying refillable ones because someone introduced me to J. Herbin i…
Interesting. I use Muji gel ink ballpoint pens, typically 0.7mm tips, and they are they first pen I've found that hasn't given me cramps (found 0.5mm to be too scratchy feeling). So I haven't really looked much beyond them. The comments in this thread lead me to the wikipedia article for rollerball pens, which mentions the ink being the main reason the pens require less pressure to write and therefore produce less st…
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try a broader nib - with a larger surface it’s less scratchy. Also your nib probably needs a smoothing and tune up too! There’s many resources online to learn how to do that. In short very fine abrasives.
All my nibs are failing, please share any trusted guides that aren't just cleaning the reservoir with soap and water.
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try a broader nib - with a larger surface it’s less scratchy. Also your nib probably needs a smoothing and tune up too! There’s many resources online to learn how to do that. In short very fine abrasives.
All my nibs are failing, please share any trusted guides that aren't just cleaning the reservoir with soap and water.
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#65I found I could write much more legibly using a fountain pen, so I've been using them since 1st or 2nd grade. There's a ton of drawbacks to using fountain pens for everything daily. First, while rare, I'd still get leaks and ink on my hands. For instance, if I dropped the pen. Second, there's a bit of a maintenance burden on fountain pens, the nibs need to be cleaned from time to time. Finally, pretty much all of these inks will wash out if the paper gets wet, so it's super bad for legal documents. I like the Pilot Metropolitan fountain pens as they strike the right balance of affordability and quality. The Fine nib for me (correlates to EF from American/European companies) seems to be the sweet spot, Medium feels imprecise for me. Noodler ink seems great, I was previously using Schaeffer ink and it was just ok.
The latest pens I've come enjoy using are Pilot's Frixxion line. I grabbed on a whim awhile back and feel like every student of mathematics should know of these pens. They are a gel pen with fine point options but they can be 'erased' by rubbing a plastic nub on the back against paper. This heats up the paper and causes the ink to disappear. The effect can be reversed by throwing the paper in the freezer if erasure was unintended (or if a notebook was left in an extremely hot cat). I wish I had known about these pens when I was in school. Gel-type pens seem a bit more practical than fountain for daily carry or occasional use, not as good as a fountain but the ink seems to flow better than ballpoint and the tips don't get messed up like a felt pen.
EDIT: More on topic though, I have tried rollerball pens and did not like them. They seemed even less precise than ballpoints for me and skipped more. Terrible writing experience all around, would not do again.
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#66Am I missing the point here? >You might be wondering, why is this a question? Why yes, exactly my thought, please tell me... >If you check out Unsharpen’s Ink Types Guide, you’ll see that while rollerball ink is great, fountain pen ink is quite special. Oh, ok, so I'll follow that link, and... >It is, of course, the ink used in fountain pens, but it takes thousands of forms. The ink can be in a bottle or cartridge, i…
I'm not into pens, so maybe sometime who is can shed light on the specifics. In general, I see this as any other hobby that can be taken to obsessive levels. I see it as similar to, for example, building your own PC and making sure all parts are color matched and all cables are routed in an esthetically pleasing ways, or growing Bonsai.
The parts of a fountain pen can be beautiful in their simplicity and in their appearance. Some of the finer pens have an exquisite beauty that comes from rare lacquers, like the Urushi process[1]; rare and dangerous tree sap turned into careful patterns. These materials change over time with use, becoming ever more personal as you use and care for them. Beautifully crafted nibs that hold patterns and designs expressing logos, orbits, flowers, coats of arms, all in a tiny space are wonderful to me. The pens themselves can be little works of art.
Underlying all of that, even in the less expensive pens, you have very basic principles of physics and fluid dynamics coming together to support one of the most basic human freedoms: self-expression in words and pictures. In some senses, this form of self-expression, when well-used, can be an elevating facet of one's daily life. I find the possibilities here beautiful, and feel a connection to that potential when using pens.
There is craftsmanship to appreciate in a well-made fountain pen. Like a well-made tool, or a well-made ship, sword, table... you name it... Using something so well-suited to the task of writing is a pleasure all on its own. Even the ritual involved in caring for a fine implement is a pleasure. Disassembling the pen into its component parts and cleaning it out holds the promise of refilling and more writing; the exploration that will come with new inks and new thoughts. This also gives me satisfaction.
Then there is the tinkering aspect. Many pens can be adjusted to the suit the wants and needs of their wielder. Swapping out nibs to gain different effects during formation of the letters, tuning nibs to your preferences, playing with different filling mechanisms... All of these also bring enjoyment.
Aesthetics, craftsmanship, and tinkering aside, there is the act of writing with these fine devices. I derive satisfaction from having filled a notebook page with text, even if it is just meeting notes. When it is actual expression, organized thought or expressed feeling, so much the better. Every stroke upon the page, every word chosen, every scribble in confusion was something I did. It was a small part of me, existing in this stream of reality, made evident on paper. No one else could have produced exactly what I did on the page, for better or worse. I'm not saying it has any intrinsic value to anyone but me, but I find it a very satisfying activity.
There have been a number of studies linking the activity of handwriting, painting, and drawing to good effects on executive function, and, in the case of journaling, to emotional well-being. I won't claim this is why I do it, but I can give anecdotal evidence that I've noticed improvements in memory and my ability to manage anxiety. I realize this is the "citation needed" portion of the comment. I'll have to search for those later [2].
Even if these weren't factors, I choose to write; for pleasure, for work (notes on paper are far quieter than rude tapping on a keyboard during meetings), and sometimes to occupy my hands. That said, I want a means that is an improvement over disposable plastic pens that get tossed in landfills. If I seek pens that are not disposable, it leads me to fountain pens and fountain pen ink. A 4.5 oz. bottle of Noodler's Ink, and the free fountain pen that comes with it, are more worthwhile than dozens of disposable pens.
Even with the more expensive pens, you will get use from them for decades, perhaps even more than one lifetime. I will admit, however, that practicality is the least of my reasons for digging in to the pen hobby.
Personally, I also get a sense of connection to history. This is so even when using the modern refinements brought to these instruments. When I use pen and ink, I join a long tradition of people who left their mark upon the page. From scribes copying manuscripts and writing digests in the catalogs at Alexandria, to the letters penned and exchanged between famous scientists, authors, composers, and politicians; I get to feel a sense of joining them. Not in significance, or in the impact of my words, but I can imagine some tenuous connection to those people. They, like me, took pen in hand and wrote. In some minute sense, I am like them.
For the pen's connection to freedom of expression, I will also forever love the hobby.
I haven't even mentioned inks in all of this, as that would extend this post far longer than I have time for.
What has any of this to do with hacking? Writing is an act of creation, just like woodworking (the original hacking), or coding. Just as we discuss mechanical keyboards, programmer's editors, and programming languages for software construction, pen, their construction, alteration, care, and the inks used with them, are similar.
These are some of the reasons I like pens. Your mileage may vary. And yes, I wrote this out with a fountain pen first.
[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/nancyolson/2016/05/15/three-way...
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alternatively I significantly prefer pencil to any pen (fountain or otherwise). Very low friction, super-quick to scribble stuff down, easily erased etc. Even the cheapo mechanical pencils are pretty decent IME
One of the features of a properly tuned fountain pen is that require zero friction or pressure to write. The reason for this is that they transfer ink to paper via capillary action so mere contact should be enough to put a line on the page. I can't say erasure is a typical ability in fountain pen inks. In fact if you look into Noodler's Inks (two of the rollerballs mentioned come from Noodler's Inks) you'll notice th…
By volume, it is probably the majority of ink sold.
Several countries require children to use fountain pens at school, or still have widespreaf use even if it's no longer officially required. Germany, the UK, I think India.
The blue ink that everyone uses most of the time is erasable with a chemical eraser pen [1], which everyone in my class (in the UK) owned.
Other colours were not erasable, so my gothic rebellion (requiring me to write in black or red) meant I had to be correct first time.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ink_eraser § Chemical
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the features of a properly tuned fountain pen is that require zero friction or pressure to write. The reason for this is that they transfer ink to paper via capillary action so mere contact should be enough to put a line on the page. I can't say erasure is a typical ability in fountain pen inks. In fact if you look into Noodler's Inks (two of the rollerballs mentioned come from Noodler's Inks) you'll notice th…
> I can't say erasure is a typical ability in fountain pen inks By volume, it is probably the majority of ink sold. Several countries require children to use fountain pens at school, or still have widespreaf use even if it's no longer officially required. Germany, the UK, I think India. The blue ink that everyone uses most of the time is erasable with a chemical eraser pen [1], which everyone in my class (in the UK)…
Now I'm curious. Why is that? How are fountain pens different from regular pens when it comes to school? I've never even seen a fountain pen, let alone written with one (Canada).
Re: Rollerball pens that use fountain pen ink
#70Yes! If there's one thing I always wanted out of good pens that don't leak or cause a mess, it's a way to make them leak and cause a lot of mess. Finally!
You're not very familiar with modern fountain pens, are you? Most don't leak, and if you are really finicky about mess (like I used to be before children) you can fill them with a syringe... not a stray drop anywhere. The utility (and cost-effectiveness in many cases) of bottled inks, and avoiding the landfill waste of using cartridges is worth the extra effort in cleaning and maintaining a fine instrument.